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Mirrodie @ ISP - Police Encounter (follow-up)  
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 45
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

Referring to this thread from more than a year ago:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1211114/

I'd like to know if you ever heard anything positive or constructive in response to your letter.


redngold


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User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2337 times:

Yea, what ever happened with that? I was actually thinking about that a couple of weeks ago.



Joe Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2252 times:

Whoa Mario I never heard about this! I am shocked. I also hope the guy with you wasn't Matt! He would have went ape!

It is amazing how we get treated. I get harassed at IFP all winter but they never have gone that far, just asked me what I am doing and leave me alone. I almost got into an argument with some dumb women one day when I was near the fence but I decided it wasn't worth it and went over to the baggage claim.



User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2230 times:

Pathetic...I couldn't get out on the ramp with my OWN DAD (who has ramp access) because I didn't have an identification. I AM 13 YEARS OLD, WHAT TERRORISM CAN I DO? I just wanted to get a picture of the Antonov An-124 on the deicing ramp  Crying

JetBlast @ BWI



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

It is a shame. Though I agree with the security measures in the post 9/11 era spotting and taking pictures means you have to deal with such BS!!

User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

I just wanted to get a picture of the Antonov An-124 on the deicing ramp

That doesn't sound like a legitimate reason to be out on the ramp to me.


User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Wow. I just read the original post. Scary.

Normally when a police officer searches a vehicle or any personal effects, he has to have probable cause...for example, if you're pulled over and the officer detects the odor of marijuana, that would be probable cause enough to search your vehicle, person, and personal effects. Or, if he suspects you have a weapon, for safety reasons. I guess I don't see what probable cause he had here...maybe b/c the spotter had a camera, this met the criteria of "suspicious activity"? Or, maybe he was "hoping" he had something he could've busted him on...you know, to be a "hero".

I dunno. I can understand them asking some basic questions, but some of their actions were unnecessary. It's sad that we live in a country where law-abiding citizens are treated like criminals. If this is what our nation has come to, the terrorists have already won.

Personally, I think he should have consulted a lawyer. I'd love to see some sort of legal action on behalf of law-abiding spotters!



"The most terrifying words in the Engligh language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"-Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

I agree but down the road it would go nowhere, the courts would just say that the police were erring on the side of caution in this post 9/11 era. Sad but true. I would rather spot at FRG you can see more that just those ugly WN planes!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

While I have very mixed feelings about the security aspect, one has only to look at the news to see how much damage 13 year olds can do !! Terrorists will use children in a heartbeat if it serves their purpose!!


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User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1878 times:

Its so much easier to spot at FRG than ISP.



Joe


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1785 times:

Your right Joe! BTW the get together has been pushed back a little to early December, you better be in town!

User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1738 times:

I agree but down the road it would go nowhere, the courts would just say that the police were erring on the side of caution in this post 9/11 era. Sad but true. I would rather spot at FRG you can see more that just those ugly WN planes!

You're probably right, it's just sad that the certain rights under the Constitution (i.e., against unlawful search and seizure and Habeas Corpus, specifically) are distorted for the purpose of fighting terrorism, or ignored altogether b/c of erring on the side of caution.

I'm sure some people might retort, "So what are they supposed to do? Not do anything, and risk a terrorist attack occurring?" but I think that a reasonable balance can be obtained.



"The most terrifying words in the Engligh language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"-Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineAWspicious From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

After reading the entire thread the second thought that entered my mind was "There's one in every crowd..."
Mirrodie; What's the latest with this incident?


User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1683 times:
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Pathetic...I couldn't get out on the ramp with my OWN DAD (who has ramp access) because I didn't have an identification. I AM 13 YEARS OLD,

If you were in the UK you would not get onto the ramp until you were a minimum of 16 YO and even then you have to have a legitimate reason for being there.

Elsewhere on this board B747-437B talks about superficial pax security. In my experience the superficial security in the US is ramp access. Anybody seems to be able to get airside provided you know someone with a full airside pass.

It is not beyond the realms of possibilities for a ramp pass holders family to be held hostage in order to get an undesirable airside.



[Edited 2004-11-13 22:49:47]

User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Mirrodie????





Joe


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

Joe, I didn't understand that last post. You of course should know Mario!

User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

I just wanted to get a picture of the Antonov An-124 on the deicing ramp

That doesn't sound like a legitimate reason to be out on the ramp to me.


I agree. If you're not out there on a job-related function, then you absolutely shouldn't be out there. It doesn't matter if your dad has ramp access or not.... he has it for a reason related to work, you don't.

You'll have to take pictures from outside the fence....



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User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4119 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1549 times:

Back 2000 or sometime around then, my friend's dad (who works/worked at Gatwick) took me and my friend into the maintenance area at Gatwick (by the FLS hangars). On the way in he asked the guard if it would be ok, showing that he worked here and we were let in. It was fun parking up next to a British Airways B747-400 and being able to get out and have a look around the aircraft.

Then, two years on in 2002 i asked my friend if his dad would be able to take us in again and have a look and his dad said that even he would not be able to go in, unless he was working, let alone taking two teenagers in.

Shows what terrorism did!

-Stephen


User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3700 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1525 times:
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his dad said that even he would not be able to go in, unless he was working,

That has always been the case,even before 9/11.

Access to the Maint area is not as strict as the Terminal area.


User currently offlineIslipWN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

NIKV69,
lol I didn't mean whos Mirrodie, I meant Mirrodie, are you there?


sry about that.


Joe


User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

I AM 13 YEARS OLD, WHAT TERRORISM CAN I DO?

A whole hell of a lot if a 13 year old was trained and of the proper mind set. I know this is an extreme example, but in Vietnam the VC would strap a bomb on a little boy or girl, tell them to go close to a US soldier(s), and then set the bomb off. I know that someone like you would not do that, but there is always a chance that some other 13 year old could.



"It starts when you're always afraid; You step out of line, the man come and take you away" -Buffalo Springfield
User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1419 times:

Well guys I would never want to bring injury to people or property as I am a God-fearing person. Besides, security probably had no idea whether or not my Dad was working or not. We could get to other parts on the ramp which made zero sense to me, such as the cargo ramp where the ATA L-1011s are usually parked, but not out to the deicing ramp. I think part of the reason was that there was aircraft activity but I can't think of any other reasons. And by the way I think we are a little off subject.

JetBlast @ BWI  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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