Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
KLM 767 Retiring Dates  
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3408 times:

hey guy's , here a list of retirement dates of the KLM 767's


On these dates they will leave the KLM active fleet, they will be returned to ILFC about 3-4 weeks later:

apr05 BZA
sep05 BZB
dec05 BZC
mar06 BZE
apr06 BZD
may06 BZF
nov06 BZG
jan07 BZH
feb07 BZI
mar07 BZO
mar07 BZM
apr07 BZK



25 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3356 times:

Interesting. Any plans at KLM to confirm some of their options on A330-200s? They only have six on order, and with 12 767s going, that's not quite enough to replace them all...

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3336 times:

well KLM is reducing the fleet a bit, actually they order 1 777 and 6 A330's to replace the 767's. the 777 that is comming in January will take over the PH-BZA routes while BZA is going to fly other 767 routes for 3 months since KLM is planning maintenance on them.

-so 10 747-200/300's are replaced by 9 777's
-and 12 767's are being replaced by 1 777 and 6 A330's wich means a lose of 5 planes in that sector, so yes i guess they will get some more A330's after 2005...




User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3179 times:


A mix of 772´s, 332´s and 744´s is replacing the 743, M11 and 767. The exact composition depends on market circumstances/demand. KLM has 4 options on extra 772´s and on 16 extra A332´s.

There was a dip in capasity because the 743 phase-out was accelerated, to match the bad market situation (Iraq, Sars). The combined 744 (cargo, pax & combi´s), 772´s and 332´s will give KLM a flexible and powerfull long-haul fleet cargo / pax capasity.



User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3170 times:

A mix of 772´s, 332´s and 744´s is replacing the 743, M11 and 767. The exact composition depends on market circumstances/demand. KLM has 4 options on extra 772´s and on 16 extra A332´s.


wasn't the last 744 delivered in 2000? also, the plans to replace the MD-11's with A330 and 777 were dropped, the MD-11 will stay untill 2012 so think KLM will wait with the order wich is going to replace the MD-11


User currently offlineCMK10 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 513 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3155 times:

What aircraft will Dulles recieve following the 767s leaving?


"Traveling light is the only way to fly" - Eric Clapton
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3153 times:

"will take over the PH-BZA routes"

Could you specify the routes? Do you have any date we would not see a 767 and MD11 as part of KL fleet?

I'm really happy that the 767s are being dropped. I had a nightmare flight las month with KL on the route AMS-EWR. Sorry to say but it was my worst flight ever on business class...not even my PTV worked.

Still, I'm frequently traveling AMS-GRU and I know how good the new 777s are!  Smile

Rgs,




User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3137 times:

MauriceB - You mention the PH-BZA routes, what are they?

Thanks.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

well not really BZA routes, but a 767 route is taken-over by the 777 because a 767 leaves the fleet, in this case BZA, all 767's in the KLM routes are flying all 767 Routes, they are not really flying one route with one plane. so im just calling the route who will be taken over by the 777 , the bza route  Smile

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

wasn't the last 744 delivered in 2000?
No, there were a few 744ERF´s this year.

the plans to replace the MD-11's with A330 and 777 were dropped
No, they were delayed, the business case wasn´t good enough at that moment.

the MD-11 will stay until 2012
The MD11 lease contract expires around that time. KLM can end the contract if the situation is changing.

Question: is the situation changing? E.g. if traffic & revenues would be growing, the fuel prices where high and aircraft cheap & you have some good options, IMO things could easily change.


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 2867 times:

The 767 is relatively new to be retiring and rather odd since KLM is or was moving to an all Boeing fleet.

I'm wondering why KLM is holding on to the MD-11's when most other airlines have already retired them from service. I'm glad they're holding on to them.



The engine is the heart of an airplane, but the pilot is its soul.
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 2854 times:

I think I was on a KL 767 from MEM-AMS, can anyone confirm? What will they replace 767 with?

AA777jr


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

I guess it's up to AF now to call the shots!


747SP
User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

>The 767 is relatively new to be retiring and rather odd since KLM is or was moving to an all Boeing fleet.<

KL hauls a great deal of cargo (hence the presence of Combi's throughout their history) and the A330 is simply better for cargo hauling than the 767. I would not expect a 7E7 order to be too far off

>I'm wondering why KLM is holding on to the MD-11's when most other airlines have already retired them from service. I'm glad they're holding on to them.<

They have very favorable lease rates on the planes, crews that are already trained and the plane is perfectly efficient for what it does. Also, every MD-11 that has not been destroyed by a crash or fire is still flying, just most haul cargo.

>I think I was on a KL 767 from MEM-AMS, can anyone confirm? What will they replace 767 with?<

KL handed the route over to NW, and NW flies what else? An old DC-10  Big thumbs up. Actually, this route was mostly handled by an MD-11, but I am sure 767s would make appearences.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1907 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

I would not expect a 7E7 order to be too far off

Me neither, but expect an Skyteam-order, not just an KLM-order...

Cheers!



Only Those Who Sleep Don't Make Mistakes
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

SkyTeam IS AF. They won't order the 7E7 before Airbus has a competitor and then they'll order that.
Remember the French state controls what AF orders and KLM is controlled directly by AF in all aspects.

AF is comitted to Airbus through their government controlling agencies (hidden behind front companies so as to please regulators).



I wish I were flying
User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2588 times:

SkyTeam IS AF. They won't order the 7E7 before Airbus has a competitor and then they'll order that.
Remember the French state controls what AF orders and KLM is controlled directly by AF in all aspects.

AF is comitted to Airbus through their government controlling agencies (hidden behind front companies so as to please regulators).


than explain to me why AF has a lot of 747-400's 777-300ER's still on order?


User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2568 times:

So...

What will happen to the Dulles route (IAD-AMS)? Will this go back to NW with a DC-10? or will we see an MD-11 or 777 in KLM colors?

Interesting to see!



Save a horse! Ride a Cowboy!
User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4977 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

than explain to me why AF has a lot of 747-400's 777-300ER's still on order?

It's a front by the evil French bastards to fool the world into thinking AF actually chooses its planes based on merits. And they send them to Toulouse every few weeks, where engineers of the Evil Communist Airbus Conspiracy (ECAC) take them apart to steal all the wonderful ideas of these clearly superior flying wonders. ECAC then uses dumbed down state-sponsored versions of this superior Boeing Technology in its next flying contraption, which it then gives away to any airline that wants it, or forces onto others through government pressure, something only the ECAC ever uses, BTW.

Oh, and KLM will be completely dismantled within the next two years. That blue you see on the new KL 777s? It's a plastic cover! Once you peel it off, you'll see they've already been painted in the colors of the Evil Air Farce, dirt and all.

Hey, I'm starting to really get into this Jwenting train of thought! Who'd have guessed?  Big grin

P.S. Great to have you back on here, Jeroen! Your level-headed and well balanced comments have been sorely missed.  Big grin

[Edited 2004-11-14 11:37:45]

User currently offlineLj From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

>The 767 is relatively new to be retiring and rather odd since KLM is or was moving to an all Boeing fleet.<

KL hauls a great deal of cargo (hence the presence of Combi's throughout their history) and the A330 is simply better for cargo hauling than the 767. I would not expect a 7E7 order to be too far off


However the man reason is that the B767 has always been an intermediate choice and that the leases exprire and thus KLM had to decide whether a) extend the lease, b) lease another aircraft or c) buy the 767s. Given the fact that the A330 has a much better range and cargo capabilities than the B767 it wasn't difficult to make a decision.

What will happen to the Dulles route (IAD-AMS)? Will this go back to NW with a DC-10? or will we see an MD-11 or 777 in KLM colors?

You forget that the first A330-200 will be coming next year


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2481 times:


And adding to what will we see for IAD...my main question is what will we see in ATL?? A330-200 would be nice.
Regards



Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offlineGlobeTrekker From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 851 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Welcome back Jwenting!! I really missed you!! Good to have you back.

GlobeTrekker



The World Is A Book And Those Who Do Not Travel Read Only A Page
User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

I am thinking an A330 on IAD-AMS is not too far fetched....get rid of that 767, WBC on the -10 was soooo much better.

User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1907 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Welcome back Jwenting!! I really missed you!! Good to have you back.

Uhhhh.... Right....

No comment........

 Innocent



Only Those Who Sleep Don't Make Mistakes
User currently offlineSR 103 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1736 posts, RR: 39
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

get rid of that 767, WBC on the -10 was soooo much better.

Careful there! No matter how run down my KL 763 was, the PTV's worked just fine, unlike every flight I have had on the 10. But yes, the seat on the 10's have more legroom and are wider. They just lack the presence of a adjustable headrest.

Regardless I can't wait for the 330 to replace both the KL 763's and NW DC-10's!

SR 103


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 25, posted (9 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

Even though I think the 767 is a good aircraft I think its too old. so its great KL are taking steps to modernise their fleet.

Next summer they'll be upgrading their daily CAI flights from 763 to a mixture of MD-11s and 777s.

Horus




EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Privatair Buys 1 Ex KLM 767-300ER posted Wed Aug 2 2006 13:36:46 by FCKC
KLM 767 Network posted Mon May 1 2006 03:01:44 by AF Cabin Crew
KLM 767 At IAH Recently posted Fri Apr 22 2005 07:30:10 by TexasLonghorn
Next Operators For First 4 KLM 767's To Leave posted Wed Mar 23 2005 15:44:35 by MauriceB
KLM 767 In BWI!? posted Fri Oct 22 2004 21:08:12 by Usairways16bwi
Good/Bad WBC Seats On KLM 767? posted Mon Jun 21 2004 17:51:03 by FoxBravo
KLM 767 Seat Plan posted Wed Mar 31 2004 18:40:56 by Trident2e
KLM 767's', What To Expect. posted Sat Nov 29 2003 01:36:42 by Usair320
New KLM 767 Service From AMS-IAD posted Tue Aug 26 2003 18:07:39 by Ams
KLM 767 @ IAD-Broken Windshield posted Thu Jul 10 2003 01:59:06 by Airlinelover