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User currently offlineEva744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Hey guys / gals--

Wondering if you know the average ages of the NW DC10 fleet? Don't know if you have time, but a per aircraft breakdown would be cool, if not its cool. In particular the India - Amsterdam - MSP ones. Any help with this would be appreciated. Got someone flying on this flight, and is a little nervous and I want to assure them its ok.

Thanks.

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User currently offlineDouglasDC10 From Germany, joined Feb 2000, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Hi,

I am quite bored, so I am making a list. Northwest DC-10 fleet is made up of these aircraft:

2 built in 1972
1 built in 1973
6 built in 1974
1 built in 1975
2 built in 1977
1 built in 1980
2 built in 1981
2 built in 1987
3 built in 1988

This makes an average age of 25,5 years more or less (I didn't count the months). Perhaps one of the Northwest guys has more accurate info.

Best regards

Karl


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2692 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

While I can't say for sure, I would think that all of the DC-10s would rotate through the India-AMS-DTW routes, as most airlines do not reserve specific aircraft for certain routes in the system.

User currently offlineNwaclc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1884 times:

a/c 1211 01oct74
a/c 1221 06feb74
a/c 1223 11jan75
a/c 1224 15feb75
a/c 1225 21feb75
a/c 1226 03mar80
a/c 1227 21oct77
a/c 1229 07dec72
a/c 1230 06feb73
a/c 1232 09may77
a/c 1233 21sep77
a/c 1234 10feb75
a/c 1235 25apr75
a/c 1236 09feb75
a/c 1237 10nov80
a/c 1238 01dec87
a/c 1239 18dec87
a/c 1240 26may88
a/c 1241 27feb81
a/c 1242 17mar81
a/c 1243 25feb88
a/c 1244 02jun88

Hope this helps
NWACLC






User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1694 times:

Eva 744, are you talking about the current ones or also the -40's?

Ah Guys is the 1974 in store or retired?

30 years is a long time considering most of the ac can only be there for 23~ years or so



Flown on: DC-10-30, B747-200B, B747-300, B747-300SR, B747-400, B747-400D, B767-300, B777-200, B777-200ER, B777-300
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

They might be doing alright even i have one of my relatives ,flying on that route arriving BOM on tuesday.i will inquire from her about her flight experience.
I dont think they should be much problem afterall they are flying two times a day on that route in the open sky policy.
But that 25 years factor does concern most people


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

To my knowledge the average age of NW's DC-10 fleet is at least 30 years old.


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7661 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

The average age is NOT 30 years old! Only a few aircraft have reached 30 years. Just look at the delivery dates, only about 4 are 30 years old. The average is in the mid-20's.

User currently offlineYorkshireflyer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

The India flights route through AMS to MSP, not DTW.

All the information you require on delivery, transfer and status can be found on www.airlinerlist.com

[Edited 2004-11-14 21:43:38]

User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1473 times:

I took Nwaclc's list and have looked up the airframe hours and cycles as of the last SDRs for each one. Some of the dates will be quite old. Can anyone update this? Date at end of entry is date of reading:

a/c 1211 01oct74 123706 hours, 28511 cycles, 6/8/04
a/c 1221 06feb74 117021 hours, 27576 cycles, 8/21/02
a/c 1223 11jan75 119362 hours, 27298 cycles, 7/13/03
a/c 1224 15feb75 95827 hours, 23730 cycles, 10/1/03
a/c 1225 21feb75 120056 hours, 26826 cycles, 6/17/04
a/c 1226 03mar80 92401 hours, 19717 cycles, 5/17/03
a/c 1227 21oct77 102225 hours, 23185 cycles, 5/20/02
a/c 1229 07dec72 105501 hours, 26193 cycles, 8/18/00
a/c 1230 06feb73 114017 hours, 27178 cycles, 10/28/02
a/c 1232 09may77 95823 hours, 19325 cycles, 11/9/03
a/c 1233 21sep77 78587 hours, 21306 cycles, 4/22/01
a/c 1234 10feb75 118912 hours, 27156 cycles, 10/1/03
a/c 1235 25apr75 81320 hours, 18604 cycles, 2/16/02
a/c 1236 09feb75 80830 hours, 18418 cycles, 4/2/03
a/c 1237 10nov80 78947 hours, 17502 cycles, 12/28/03
a/c 1238 01dec87 55806 hours, 9016 cycles, 5/2/04
a/c 1239 18dec87 50390 hours, 8213 cycles, 3/6/03
a/c 1240 26may88 46962 hours, 8023 cycles, 2/22/03
a/c 1241 27feb81
a/c 1242 17mar81 80825 hours, 18850 cycles, 3/4/04
a/c 1243 25feb88 38255 hours, 12364 cycles, 5/15/04
a/c 1244 02jun88 32980 hours, 10995 cycles, 4/29/03


Couldn't find records on 1241, but probably compares with 1242. NW has 8 flying with over 100,000 hours, with another 3 pushing at that level.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7661 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1465 times:

The high-time DC-10's will be retired over the course of the next year and a half, with about 7-8 of the low-time DC-10's remaining for the long-term. Those aircraft still have a lot of useable life left in them.

User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1447 times:

Agreed...those 1988 build aircraft still have a ton of life left in them..1/4 the hours and 1/2 the cycles...keep em in the air boys! Big grin

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineYorkshireflyer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1427 times:

Spacepope - where did the cycles information come from please?

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6493 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Thrust, how can you say the average age is over 30 years when Nwclc listed every single aircraft, and only 2-3 were over 30 yuears old. What kind of research went into your statement ? This ranks right up there with your statement that KLM bailed out NWA financially but were unable to substantiate. I don't know what your expertise is in the aviation field, but it is lacking when it comes to NWA.

User currently offlineNwaclc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1415 times:

A/C 1241 18510 cycles total time 82605 hrs (AS OF 14NOV04)

NWACLC


User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1408 times:

Yorksire: Cycles info comes from the FAA's Service Difficulty Report Ad-Hoc Query form. Just Google under "FAA SDR". NW is one of the few airlines that reports hours/cycles on there. FedEx, Southwest are others.


Nwaclc: Thanks for the update, I assumed it would be just over 80,000 hours. What do the DC-10s average? About 4000 hours a year? Seems kinda low, as WN's 20 year old 733s are nearing 70,000 hours.



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User currently offlineEva744 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1322 times:

Thanks for the help. I will relay this info on.


I appreciate your research.

They aren't too old. I don't understand this problem with age so long as you keep them in shape. Its a non-issue.

Again, thanks.


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7661 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1184 times:

The important number relating to the DC-10's is the number of cycles. Since NW has used the DC-10-30's exclusively for Trans-ATL, Trans-Pac, and now Hawaii flights, they only are used for at most 2 cycles a day. The number of cycles is what induces the most wear and tear on the aircraft.

Since all of the -30's are second hand, the number of hours & cycles may be rather different for similar age aircraft based upon how the previous carrier utilized their DC-10 fleet.


User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4787 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 1083 times:
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why did they get rid of the -40s first,was it just because they were the oldest??

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