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User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

I just got off a MEX-SCL flight, operated on LA's metal (I knew I should have waited to fly on AM's metal, but oh-oh...). On the IFE, they are showing "The Terminal" with Tom Hanks (a stranded traveler from Slavic origin) and Catherine Zeta-Jones as a UA F/A ( Love!!)

The plot is food for thoughts: a guy who cannot enter the US, nor leave the US, so he is stranded in a connections terminal for several months due to a weird political situation: his passport was cancelled by his (un-)government while he was flying, and the US State Department cancelled his visa likewise... Surreal, but as a frequent traveler I found myslef chuckling at the situations several times...

Have any more fellow a.netters seen it? The question is: would a situation like this be possible? I don't see it happening without the media making a big scandal out of it and human rights watchdogs getting the guy out in two days...

Cheers from SCL!

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User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5304 times:

Try a search. It is a true story, except an Iranian man was stuck in CDG. I believe he still lives there.

AAndrew


User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3332 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5302 times:

Actually the movie is based on the story of a man who has lived in CDG for 14 years. I'd go into more detail but someone should've already posted with the goodies by now.

Good day!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineYYZUla From Poland, joined Feb 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

Yeah it is based on a true story. From what I read is that the guy is still there. He had the opportunity to leave but he didn't a while back. He got something like 100 thousand dollars for his story.

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5269 times:

wow, 100,000$$ to spend on in an airport  Nuts


Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5238 times:

I have another question relating to the movie: Why do Hollywood always feel the need to transplant intresting historical scenarios like this into a domestic US context? Surely educated American audiences would enjoy not only the appeal of the plot, but also the stimulation of the different cultural and geographical settings (not to metion the fedelity to history (cf. U571 and others))? Is this a sort of 'dumming down'?


When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5221 times:

Why do Hollywood always feel the need to transplant intresting historical scenarios like this into a domestic US context?

Because I HIGHLY doubt that this was based on a true story. There is NO WAY some poor guy has been living in CDG for 14 years..!!! Please... Be real. It's a movie, it's not based on fact.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

EMBQA,

Please do some research before expressing such certainty.

Cheers,

OzGlobal



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

While watching and studying the movie carefully, The passport he was using in actually a Bulgaria passport  Laugh out loud Good movie, although is a bit hard knowing what I've gone through..... almost the same as that guy.


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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5175 times:

I have.. a big ZERO. The only thing I found to be 'fact based' was that the costume designers took an actual UAL Flight Attendent uniform and altered it slightly for the movie.

Now, if you have more... provide a link.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17030 posts, RR: 67
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

(not to metion the fedelity to history (cf. U571 and others))?

Do you mean that U571 was faithful to fact? Hmmm... Let's start with the fact that WWII subs could not fire torpedoes (if they expected to hit anything) while submerged below periscope depth...

Because I HIGHLY doubt that this was based on a true story. There is NO WAY some poor guy has been living in CDG for 14 years..!!! Please... Be real. It's a movie, it's not based on fact.

It is, in fact, true... http://www.snopes.com/travel/airline/airport.htm is just one account.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

And I thought EMBQA was NEVER wrong!

Check this link:
http://www.geektimes.com/michael/culture/reality/merhan-nasseri/stranded.html

While an unofficial site, it does contain the article from the December 25, 1997 edition of the Boston Globe on Mr. Merhan Karimi Nasseri, who had been in CDG since 1988 at the time of publishing.


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5157 times:

I haven't seen "The Terminal" but Hollywood changing a European story into an American one for the US audience is a common occurence. The writing, jokes, etc just play better that way. If it had been written as a European story it probably would have been seen as a drama or "artsy" film and then lost the mass appeal. Tom Hanks probably would not have been cast and as a result it would have become a whole different movie. Is Tom Hanks a big box office draw in France? I know Jerry Lewis was, but he wasn't nearly as a big a draw in the US. It's all marketing...

Some other examples: All in the Family, Sanford & Son... come to mind and there are many others that I can't think of at the moment

BTW: The movie U571 was not a true story....

I could go on about how Americans are perceived by others as a result of American media and how unaware of that Americans are but that would be another thread. I had a Scottish secretary once who "knew" all Americans were rich and greedy because that's how they acted on "DALLAS"....  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

http://web.mid-day.com/entertainment/englishmoviesreview/2004/september/93080.htm

http://www.sover.net/~ozus/terminal.htm

http://www.critic.co.nz/showfeature.php?id=2145

After 5 seconds, these came up......



When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

It is, in fact, true...

And because it's on 'Snopes' I should take it as fact..? I don't think so. It's funny because if you go to 'The Terminal' movie web site, they talk about how they made the set, how they made the uniforms, the actors,..on and on, but no mention at any time of it being loosely fact based.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Maybe you'll trust these sources then, esteemed EMBQA:

"16 Years on an Airport Bench, and 15 minutes of Fame." By: Smith, Craig S.. New York Times, 8/21/2004, Vol. 153 Issue 52948, pA4

"The true story that inspired 'The Terminal'" USA Today, 06/18/2004

"11 Year Caged in an Airport; Now He Fears to Fly." By: Daley, Suzanne. New York Times, 09/27/99, Vol. 149 Issue 51658, pA4

"The man without a country resides at Charles de Gaulle." (cover story) By: Valente, Judith. Wall Street Journal - Eastern Edition, 10/7/94, Vol. 224 Issue 69, pA1


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

EASY people.. I didn't kick puppy dog.

You gave me some better links to work with and indeed I stand corrected.

Geez, JAX you where the ONLY one that provided a solid, fact based link to the story. You need to remember, I'm an Inspector, I need facts and substantiating data...not just hear say and weak information.

[Edited 2004-11-14 18:29:02]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5058 times:

OT: @EMBQA, if you're inside and ten people say the sky is blue outside do you also tell them they're wrong unless they can prove it?

Back on topic : Has anyone seen/met the person in question? As I understand it he was in transit to the UK and the UK has now agreed to allow him in but he refuses to go unless he's extended citizenship?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Hey Kaenbaer-

The mechanic that tightened the bolt that holds the wing on your airplane 'told me' it's tight...so I guess it is...Right..? Also, on accredited evidence I know the sky is blue, so I would not question it. JAX was the first one that gave a link to accredited news sources (NY Times, WSJ, USA Today), once I read what he linked me to, I addmited that I stood corrected once reading the accredited evidance. 'Snopes' is far from accredited.

[Edited 2004-11-14 19:52:36]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17030 posts, RR: 67
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4953 times:

I agree that Snopes is far from respectable but I was lazy and it was the first link that popped up  Big grin


"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineOzglobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2718 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Re:U571 My point was that this was another example of Hollywood's unnecessary distortion of historical facts to achieve US mass appeal. The film was based on the historically important and daring recovery of the enigma machine from a German U-boat: with one key modification: the heros were British, not American; the US was not even in the war then. See link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/774427.stm

SATL382G Re: Telling "The Termnial" as 'a European story', I'm not sure what you mean. Tom Hanks plays a European of some fictious origin in the film (with a strong accent). Yes, he is a well respected actor here in France who draws crowds. To illustrate my point, and counter the suggestion that US produced films set in Europe are less appealing to US audiences, take the success of the Bourne Identity and even greater successs of the sequel: both almost entirely set in Europe.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=bournesupremacy.htm

EMBQA: Fair point. I'll try to use more compelling sources.




When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4712 times:

@Ozglobal : I believe what SATL382G meant was that the story was "Americanized" so as to make it more palletable to US audiences. Thus, the origin of the traveler was shifted from Iranian to European,his final destination was changed from the UK to the US and he was stuck in JFK rather than CDG. I suppose this is done to make the main character easier to identify with. I personally don't see why the changes were made but can believe that middle america would more easily sympathise with an eastern european than an iranian.

@EMBQA : I fully understand the need to verify with 'legitimate' resources and not accepting someones' word for it. I work in the food industry and there's very few more highly regulated industries. We're under constant federal inspection 100% of the time during operations. The USDA doesn't take OUR word for it either.  Smile Mind you that's work and this is a-net. I'm willing to suspend belief and take someone's word for it here as it's not life or death.  Big grin


User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

There was a palestinian passenger living at Prague airport for several months also,until some warm-hearted official provided him with temporary papers allowing him to leave ( to France ). Kafka could't have invented worse scenarios..!
These are typical examples of officials without heart,brain and completely detached from reality who deny passengers without legal papers entry or transit to their final destination.
Nothing against border-police employees or immigration officials- every airport needs them.But there is a fine line between outright human stupidity ,ignorance and detachment from reality.It seems in the real case of the Iranian in Paris or the palestinian in Prague these lines have been passed .



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User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

The guy in CDG 1, although he lives there, is not blocked between airside and customs like Tom Hanks in the movie. He actually wanders around in the Boutiquaire zone (ground floor with shops) and may enter and exit the terminal as he wishes, contrary to what some people think.

User currently offlineLamyl_hhlco From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 621 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

I've seen a documentary about him a long time ago on the french Tv . When i saw the trailer of this movie ..I thought about him right away ,but i too don't like when a true story is distorted...it doesnt give anymore credit to the movie .
And guys you really need to read out and check whats going on out of the US ...I mean seriously !


25 Quebecair727 : As some of you already know -and those who don't now will know- most of the movie was shot in Montreal's Mirabel airport (YMX). It thus becomes a very
26 Qqflyboy : "The Terminal" was part of AA's domestic IFE line-up last month and I am sure it is still showing in international markets. However, there was a short
27 AMS : I saw the movie a couple of Weeks ago on my ANA flight from LHR to Tokyo Narita!. It was such a good movie!,Also it was fun to see the people working
28 Starlionblue : "The Terminal" was part of AA's domestic IFE line-up last month and I am sure it is still showing in international markets. However, there was a short
29 Nonrevman : The situation that Tom Hank's character was in would not occur here in the US. Here are the plot holes I found: (1) In the US airports, you go straigh
30 Post contains links AADC10 : OzGlobal said: I have another question relating to the movie: Why do Hollywood always feel the need to transplant intresting historical scenarios like
31 Ltbewr : If such a situation were to occur in the USA, most probably the person would first be checked out to make sure not on any terror or criminal watch lis
32 Ozglobal : Kanebear: You re-inforce my point: "dumbing-down". Unfortunately, the more Hollywood does this, the less 'palatable' anything different is. In fact, e
33 Aeronuts : Ozglobal, good point, Bourne Identity/Supremacy was a hit, but didn't get the numbers that Hollywood expect for a star like Tom Hank (not that Tom has
34 Ozglobal : Aeronuts, interesting observation about the 'bad guys'. However, I can honestly say that I know of noone I've met in Europe who thinks ALL Americans a
35 Kanebear : No, this wouldn'tve happened in the US. If he were refused entry he either would've been arrested/detained and moved to a suitable facility, or put ba
36 Aeronuts : Interesting observations, as most US airport are point of entries, security at airports are pretty tight since 9/11 and chance of a person with "non-s
37 Ozglobal : US airports are basically configured for domestic traffic, not international. Hence, they are perhaps unique in NOT having a 'transit zone', i.e. an a
38 Soups : my favourite part of the movie is the begging when the airport just opens and everyone is rushing to get 1st in line thats SOOOOOOOO TYPICAL... there
39 UN_B732 : Actually, I was under the impression he clears the custom booths, reminiscent of those in T4; but w/o the hallway, and then goes to the shopping area
40 Aerorobnz : saw the movie LHR-SIN on SQ. I thought it was too light-hearted and a feel good type movie. all fluff & no substance. It's a pity considering the real
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