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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2468 times:

I'm trying to compile information on the cause of ground based accidents and incidents due to bad weather. Can anyone out there point me to some relevant links or information, including statistics that I may have missed??

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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2449 times:

Three accidents that immediaely come to mind are the NWA 727/DC9 runway collision at DTW, the Pan Am/KLM runway collision at Tenerife, and that one in Italy (SAS MD80?) where they collided with another aircraft crossing the runway. Fog was a factor in all three. You also might check the FAA/NTSB sites for similar accidents, and also search for the topic of runway incursions, especially the ones that occur in low visibility conditions.

Hope this helps...


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17068 posts, RR: 66
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Corey07850, this should give you some info: http://aviation-safety.net/events/event.php?code=WX

It lists events with Weather as a contributory cause.


OPNLguy, it was indeed an SAS MD-87: http://aviation-safety.net/database/2001/011008-0.htm




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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2395 times:

Excellent, thanks guys

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7659 posts, RR: 27
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2392 times:

To elaborate on OPNL's comments.

In December 1990 in DTW a NW 727-200 on takeoff roll on 3C (now 3L), collided with a NW DC-9-10 than had accidently turned on to the active runway in heavy fog/mist conditions. The left wing of the 727 sliced through the fuselage of the DC-9 and set it on fire when the wing contacted the left engine. No injuries occured on the 727, and the only damage was to the left wing. I believe about 15 people died on the DC-9, but several survived this incident. The 727 was repaired and ended up back in service. After the incident DTW made several changes to the taxiway layout and signage to avoid a similar incident.


User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2359 times:


I think that there was a Spanish ground collison some years ago, (DC9 Aviaco and B727 Iberia).

I will get details later.


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7415 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

BENNETT123,

The accident you mentionned occured on December 7th 1983 at Madrid Barajas Airport.

The crew of the Aviaco's DC9-32 (EC-CGS) entered the Runway from which an Iberia B727 was taking off (EC-CJF). The two aircraft collided killing all on board the DC9. 51 peoples on board IB's 727 died, out of 93.


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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

a Lufthansa Airbus skidded off the runway killing the captain in Warsaw, the runway had an inch of water on it.

User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7690 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2254 times:


Flyssc

Thanks for that.

According to Aviation Disasters, ISBN 1 85260 602 9 the B727 was EC-CFJ, which tried to take evasive action.

There was thick fog (Vis 300 M or less) which prevented the AVIACO crew from "obtaining sufficient visual reference in order to determine hat they were not taking the correct route to the beginning og runway 01. The weather was still above the minimum take off requirements however.

Pilot complaints of poor ground control and the absecnce of both marker lights and painted stop signs at taxiway/runway intersections had previously been lodged against Barajas Airport. Plans had actually been made for improvements that should have satisfied most of these concerns, but, tragically, the renovation programme was not to be budgeted until the year after the AVIACO/Iberia disaster".

I think that the last para says it all.



User currently offline2H4 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 8955 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2231 times:
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This might be a good visual aid for you:


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User currently offlineRadarcontact From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

in addition to the incidents/accidents above:

an easyjet 737 hitting a lighting pole after sliding of the frozen taxiway at EHAM december 23rd 2003.

a transavia B752 gets blown of the runway at EHAM due to gusting crosswind, december 24th 1997.

a martinair DC10 crashed at final approach due to microburst, Faro Portugal, december 12th 1992.

maybe you'll find more info at:
http://awin.larc.nasa.gov/accident.htm

Most airports use different safety-scenarios for different weather conditions.






User currently offlineSonicKidatBWI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

PANAM/KLM disaster in Tenerife, Spain in March 1977. Fog (as well as improper communications with the control tower) impaired visibility on the runway. KLM 747 commenced take-off roll without proper clearance and with PANAM 747 still on the active runway.

[Edited 2004-11-16 20:17:51]

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2129 times:

Don't forget DL191 the L1011 from FLL-DFW that crashed due to windshear in 85 (i believe). Other windshear related incidents that I remember off the top of my head are a 727 at MSY and a US DC9 at CLT.


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