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UA@HNL: A HUB?  
User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2278 times:

Does UA consider HNL to be an unofficial hub, or a place with significant operations? I ask this because their current service at HNL includes:
1X Daily to and from DEN (B777)
1X Daily to and from ORD (B777)
4X Daily to and from SFO
4X Daily to and from LAX
2X Daily to and from NRT + (1X Daily on ANA)
1X Daily to and from KIX

It seems like HNL would be a mini-hub because it offers a lot of flights: including 3 daily intl' flights.

The other hubs are: NRT, LAX, SFO, DEN, ORD, IAD, LHR, FRA right?

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User currently offlineMats From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 632 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

Honolulu is more of a "focus city." United's flights to Honolulu are typically O&D traffic--in other words, passengers aren't stopping in Honolulu strictly as a United-to-United connection point.

Honolulu used to have more hub activity when United served Sydney and Auckland from Honolulu.

At this point, Honolulu does serve as a hub for United passengers connecting to off-line interisland flights. But it's not a United hub, so to speak.


User currently offlineKurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

I wouldn't call it a hub because you can't really connect there going westbound. Both of the Honolulu-Tokyo flights and the Honolulu-Osaka flight depart before the first arrivals from Los Angeles and San Francisco (not to mention Chicago and Denver). Eastbound you can connect, though.

User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Seems to be a mini-hub, probably because of the amount of flights ... 13. Star Alliance partners AC, NZ and NH also fly in and out of HNL as well, which leads to access to those countries, plus AC has a flight to Australia. AQ is not part of the Star Alliance, but a marketing/code-sharing partner of UA as well.

HNL would have been a hub, if UA decided to get into the inter-island ops, which at one time were considering, but chose not to. That would have meant turning on AQ, and taking advantage of them.



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User currently offlineNZblue From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 638 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

1X Daily to and from DEN (B777)

This flight is currently operated by a 767-300.

NZblue




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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

The number of flights does not make a hub. It is the treatment of the airport by the airline and the ability to make connections. It is sort of like a wireless hub when talking about computers. All connect in that one place. AA has many, many flights to LAX that go all over the country and world, but not that many connections, and it is not a hub for them, rather a focus city. UA does a lot more connecting at LAX and calls it a hub. HNL is a destination. A big one that makes money, but still a destination. Also, FRA is not a UA hub, rather LH making it a "STAR Alliance hub"


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

No, its not a UA hub, if it was, the NW would have a hub.

2x NRT
1x KIX
1x LAX
2x MSP
2x SEA
1x ANC (Seasonal)
1x DTW (Seasonal)
1x SFO
1x PDX



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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

NZBlue beat me to my first point, the Denver - Honolulu flights (43/44) are operated with a 763, not a 772. In fact, I will be flying on the eastbound leg (44) in a week and a half.


HNL would have been a hub, if UA decided to get into the inter-island ops, which at one time were considering, but chose not to. That would have meant turning on AQ, and taking advantage of them.

I assume that you are saying that UA was thinking about getting into inter-island ops with smaller aircraft and having numerous flights per day? I guess that I am not sure what you are saying. However, UA used to operate inter-island flights back in the early 90s. I am not sure when they started them, but in the early 90s, they would fly in DC-10s from ORD, SFO, and LAX, in the late afternoon/early evening to HNL and then these birds would continue on to LIH, OGG, and KOA. I am pretty sure that they turned around that night so as to provide red-eye service back to the mainland via HNL (anyone help me to confirm this?). However, UA stopped these flights when they started direct service from the mainland to the other islands. I am not sure when, but I think that it was in the mid 90s or so....maybe a little earlier. So, UA did have inter-island service, but not multiple flights a day with smaller aircraft which you might be pertaining to.

Also, you may not be able to connect to the Japan flights from the Mainland, but it does allow for a great stopover when you are making a trip to Asia and if you have time!


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2644 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1986 times:

Iowa744fan:

Did UA's inter-island ops operate bi-directionally? And, did they offer them for sale as inter-island segments only?

Thanks,

B4REAL



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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

B4real,

Yeah, they flew through HNL both ways. I would assume that they would sell tickets on the inter-island segments. As far as I know, nothing would prevent them from doing so (they are a US carrier and the route is in the US). I think that a large portion of their traffic was connecting from the mainland. I heard that they were never extremely full. I never flew in one...my family flew NW back then (that should make Burnsie happy!  Smile ), so we flew AQ and HA between the islands. However, I watched the flight out of LIH board one night, and hardly anyone got on....granted LIH is the smallest in terms of traffic and demand of the three. As I mentioned earlier, they only flew them inter-island at the time so that they could link the other islands and it was before they began direct flights from the mainland to the other islands.

This was back in 1992 that I saw them. All the UA flights went through HNL. At the time, AA and DL had similar service with DC10s and L1011s between HNL and OGG, but I don't think that either served KOA at the time, and I know that neither served LIH. I think that DL had one flight that went between LAX and OGG (maybe with a stop on the outbound segment in HNL). I know that HA operated a flight from OGG to LAX with a DC8 because it used the same gate that we used for our flight to HNL.


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

The reason they would have to fly the DC-10s and L1011s through HNL is because of the short runways at OGG and LIH. They could not get out of there with enough fuel for the long haul. They decided that, instead of doing a one stop one way, they would sell the interisland tickets while picking up pax at each airport.


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User currently offlineBluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

UA's proposal to jump into the inter-island market would have been with their 732s they had at that time. They wanted to ferry planes here, and create a base to handle i-i flights only. Their thinking was to be Hawaii's 3rd "major" i-i carrier. As hstory has shown, the 3rd "major" in Hawaii is doomed to fail.


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User currently offlineHnl-Jack From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1918 times:

During the 90's UA did offer flights to Maui and Kauai from HNL, either on DC-10 or 757 aircraft. And yes, you could buy an inter-island ticket on them. I flew the DC-10 between Maui and Honolulu a couple of times.

One correction to the type of equipment UA proposed to use inter-island, it was not the B-732, but rather the 733. And, the reason they didn't proceed was not because they didn't think they could make it work, but because of political pressure from the Governor and a couple of very powerful businessmen on AQ's board of directors.



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User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1874 times:
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UA's interisland service was proposed in the late 80's early 90's. There was political opposition, but the state had no power to stop UA since they have no regulatory power over air transportation. Most opposition was from local residents who didn't want to see HA or AQ to go out of business against the much larger UA. I also would believe that AQ had a role since they already were codesharing with UA at the time this was proposed.

User currently offlineSfo212 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

I also remember hearing that UA was trying to strong arm Hawaii by saying that if they didn't get the chance to operate interisland flights on their own in competition with AQ and HA that they were going to lessen their presence in the Islands. Dumb move, I think everyone saw through their bluff. They have traditionally been such a dominant carrier in "their little corner of the world"

UA was also operating DC-8s for a time in the interisland market. I remember at one time UA operated something like LAX-LIH-OGG and probably went back to LAX with a DC-8. I saw it one time flying overhead Honolulu and heard it on my scanner.


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