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Taca 110 737 "Crash Landing" In New Orleans  
User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 27695 times:
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HI, I was watching a program and saw that a pilot sucessfully landed a 737 in a field outside of New Orleans. i saw a picture of the plane and it was totally intact. I was just wondering how the FAA managed to get the plane out of there without a runway?


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User currently offlineFlyinround731 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 27586 times:

I read up on this on airdisaster.com, and it stated that it was flown out of the field. No runway needed, I think that was one of the selling points of the 737s when they first came out, the ability to take off without a paved runway.
-Joe


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 27465 times:

Hi,

Where can I find more info about this incident?

I used to fly TA110 several times.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 27454 times:
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When did this happen?

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 27432 times:

Maybe some years ago.

TA's B737 gone long time ago.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12340 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 27388 times:
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Was it like in the 1980s? When did the Taca B737s depart the fleet?

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 27326 times:

Here's a link to the incident (it wasn't a crash):

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1988/880524-0.htm

This incident occurred about 3 years after first deliveries of the 737-300s to various airlines, and investigation of this (and other) flameout incidents revealed that the design of the nose spinner of the CFM56 engine was allowing too much water to be ingested into the engine's core. The spinner (at the time) was more pointed " > " and they changed it to a blunter, more rounded " ) " that would allow more precip to be routed into the bypass section, and not into the core. They also made internal changes to the engines.

As far as the TACA aircraft, it suffered FOD damage on the landing from ingesting whatever, and one engine had to be changed right there on-site on the levee. Once it was changed, the aircraft was ferried off the levee (don't know who actually flew it; Boeing perhaps?) back to MSY (the original destination) where they changed the other engine. TACA later disposed of the aircraft, and it later flew for Aviateca, America West, Markair, and Morris Air, and is today in Southwest's fleet as N697SW.

Then:

http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/taca-msy/photo.shtml

...and now:


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Photo © Jerry Search




[Edited 2004-11-15 06:12:54]

User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 27303 times:

"When did the Taca B737s depart the fleet?"
----------------------------------------------------

Not so sure. But I would say maybe more than five years.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.


User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2738 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 27264 times:



http://www.airdisaster.com/photos/taca-msy/photo.shtml

 Smile LatinPlane


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 27001 times:

Nevertheless, the pic shown in reply 6 didn't mention that such a/c was part of Taca's fleet!

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26947 times:

>>>Nevertheless, the pic shown in reply 6 didn't mention that such a/c was part of Taca's fleet!

True, but although the photographer didn't mention that the aircraft had once flown for TACA, you'll note the aircraft serial number mentioned in his photo is the same #23838 that's mentioned in the accident report link at the top of reply #6...  Big grin

Maybe the photographer wasn't aware of the aircraft's full history...



User currently offlineVS346 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 26473 times:

So hypothetically, what would happen if say a 767 were able to land in a field and only sustain very minor damage. How would they get it out of there? Would they try to take off, or would they have to write it off and take it apart to ship it via road?

VS346



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 25972 times:

OPNLguy


Thanks for the info  Smile


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25840 times:

The incident occurred on May 24, 1988.

I was at a conference in Las Vegas when TACA landed on the levee on the eastern side of New Orleans.

The day we got back from Vegas, a friend and I took a ride in his 172, and flew over the levee and the 737, which had been moved to another point on the levee.

For a short time following the landing, there was talk of disassembling parts of the airplane, then barging it up the Industrial Canal (which ran adjacent to the levee) to Lakefront Airport (NEW) for reassembly. After the investigators had done their thing, the engineers and pilots took a look at the 737, and the ground on the levee (actually the ground behind the levee, the levee being the actual barrier to the canal), and decided that it could be flown off the levee. Which was precisely what they did.

If anyone is interested in a scanned copy of a picture of the 737 from the local paper, or for that matter, one of my pics scanned, let me know.

BTW, the 737 was only 3 weeks old at the time.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25616 times:

I knew the aircraft was very new, in fact I want to say it was on it's delivery flight at the time.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25570 times:

It was a revenue flight. TACA 110 operating San Salvador-Belize City-New Orleans.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25507 times:

A revenue flight, Ok thanks. I hope Capt and F/O got a bonus!

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25457 times:

Tom,

I'd be interested in seeing your pics and the newspaper pics from this...this is a fascinating incident...

Greg



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25368 times:

USAFHummer and others interested in pictures,

Email me at my profile email with your email address, and I'll do it tonight during MNF.

Tom at MSY

PS: at the time, it was the first successful landing of a commercial jetliner at some place other than an airport.



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineAirliner777 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 25214 times:

...in fact I want to say it was on it's delivery flight at the time

Please, try not to provide erroneous information next time.  Big grin


Good job done by the flight crew!  Big grin


User currently offlineStearmanNut From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day ago) and read 23229 times:

I'm still saying that the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel. He could have diverted at any time to Mexico to fuel up due to the unexpected high headwinds. Maybe with it being a new plane, the pilots were not trained adequately.

I feel it is a huge matter of pilot error, as even with adequate reserves, he should not have run low on Avjet.



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 22826 times:

It landed on a 'grass strip' as in a runway though, didn't they? I don't know many fields that are 6060ft by 120ft.. Maybe thats just me and it really was just a farmers field.

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 22730 times:

The 'grass strip' was not a runway as we know it, in any shape, form, or fashion. The New Orleans area is surrounded by levees, that is, man made dirt barriers, to keep water out of the city itself (due to New Orleans being below sea/lake/river level). It then follows that, once this dirt is in place, that the natural progression is to have grass grow on it. Of course, once in a blue moon, the grass is mowed by either the City of New Orleans, or the Levee Board, depending on who's responsible for maintaining it.

A levee looks roughly like this: ______/----- (water)

The 737 landed on the ______ part of my tacky keyboard drawing  Big grin.

So, no, it did not land on a "grass strip" runway.

Now then, if you send me your email in the next two minutes, I'll add your name to the list of guys I'll be emailing pics to later on tonight.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 22727 times:

I'm still saying that the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel.

What did not watching the fuel and head winds have to do with this incident...? The engines both flamed out due to excessive water ingestion after flying through a squall front.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 22647 times:

>>>I'm still saying that the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel.

This was -not- a fuel-starvation scenario; check out the report linked in the top of reply #6...


25 Post contains images LX23 : Starman: How do you go from a water-ingestion related flameout to the TACA pilot pulled a big time boo boo by not watching the fuel is a little hard f
26 TYSGoVols : I know a lot of Alaska Airs 737's use or at least used to use gravel runways I think some of western European airliners used to do that too. < Garen
27 WorldMD11 : The Captain and the F/O were true heroes!!! The F/O retired as an A-320 Captain a couple of years ago ............ And the Captain is still flying at
28 TACAA320 : Welcome WorldMD11 on board A.net! "Maybe with it being a new plane, the pilots were not trained adequately." They were perfectly trained StearmanNut.
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