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Child Car Seat Use- Air NZ Height Policies.  
User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Anyone ever used their car seat on an Airline?

I'm currently perplexed by Air New Zealand's policy.

"If you have booked a seat for your infant, you are welcome to bring a
car seat for the infant to sit in. The car seat must have its own inbuilt
restraint system and be of a type approved for use in motor vehicles.
Please refer to the chart below. It must also be in good, safe working
condition and should be no wider than 43cm or no higher than 48cm in order
to fit within the aircraft seat. "

I don't know where they get this 48cm height from. I can't find a single car seat for a 9 month-3 year old that is less than 56cm in height. (this is a pretty typical car seat these days- Britax etc.)

The odd thing is Air NZ is the only airline I can find that has a height limit. All other Airlines say: 33cm or narrower, and approved to a high safety standard /FAA/EU etc approved.

I've written to Ralph Norris, (NZ CEO) via his PA, and hope to make them see sense, that there is no car seat that can meet their requirements in my son's age range!

I can't find a single int airline who shares this odd height policy.

Anyone else ever had problems getting their child's seat used?

[Edited 2004-11-15 12:44:57]

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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

A quick google found at least two other airlines that have similar policies.

Without denigrating other airlines in the slightest, NZ tends to err more on the side of caution when it comes to safety regulations like this.

Baby car seats
When you book a child’s fare ticket for your infant, you may bring aboard an SAS approved car-type baby seat for installation in the adjoining seat. No part of the car seat may extend outside the passenger seat. The car seat may be of the aft or forward facing type. Maximum dimensions: Horizontally 65 cm/25 in, height 45 cm/18 in.


http://www.scandinavian.net/EC/Appl/Home/FrontDoor/0,3479,SO%253D9067282257C34CAE_A1418394FD9D311C%2526MKT%253DGB,00.html



That this infant can sit alone in the aircraft seat or in an infant car seat mounted on the aircraft seat. The infant car seat must be provided by the traveller and must not exceed the dimensions of the aircraft seat of 65 cm (length and width) and 45 cm (height).

http://www.airgreenland.gl/viewPage.php?id=202




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User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

That's fine, TG992, but supposing their requirements are based in reality, I cannot actual find a car seat for sale for a 15 month old -3 year old (this is called Group 1 here) which meets these dimensional requirements. (we've paid a full child fare for the seat, and this is LHR-AKL-LHR, and the thought of our son sitting still for 12 hour legs on my lap fills me with laughter!)

I take your point about SAS/Greenland, but i can cofnirm that BA, Qantas, Emirates don't have height rules by phone, and that United, Thai, Singapore, Air Canada don't have such restrictions mentioned on their websites.

We have ourselves a Britax ISOFIX seat, which is approx 58cm high/43cm wide. I've looked at all car seats for sale in the UK, and the smallest in this age range is 56cm H /41cm W.

My brother lives in NZ, and has a Safe N' Sound (britax brand down under) seat for his 2 year old- and again, it is approx 58 cm high. My brother is fairly sure that is a typical New NZ Child Seat, meeting the latest Land Transport Requirements in NZ/OZ.

I'm perplexed that my car seat is certified by EU/UK/US FAA for fitting in an aircraft, but no car seat seems to be purchasable that meets NZ's requirements!

Looks like we'll have to cancel our tickets and go BA/Qantas if NZ can't provide me the name of an applicable car seat i can buy...


[Edited 2004-11-15 14:03:19]

User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

I've spoken to a product manager at Britax and he was able to confirm the following:

The Britax seat at 41cm wide/ 56cm high is the smallest group 1 car seat is he aware of being made.

As far as he was aware, in Europe or NZ/OZ, there is no car seat currently being made by his company or competitors that can possibily meet the Air NZ Seat requirements for this age range. There was no seat being made by Britax in the US that complied, although he was less authoritve about competitiors in that market.



User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Even more interestingly The FAA say:

The FAA requires airlines to allow the use of a certified car seat if the child has a ticket. The FAA strongly recommends, but does not require, that children under age 2 ride in a car seat

Do such FAA Regulations apply to foreign flagged carriers flying to/from the US?


User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4507 times:

You raise some interesting points here Zonky.

My family and I are flying to NRT on Boxing day and our 15 month son will be in his car seat. We are flying Austrian Airlines and they stated we have to bring our own car seat but did not mention height or width restrictions.

Interestingly ANA do not allow you to take your car seat on their flights, they provide the seats.

Regards.


User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

ANA, are not alone in this, Wheelsatc. I believe Virgin now operate a similar policy.

BA have actually just brought in these new britax-built car seats which fit into the bassinet positions. They're pre-bookable, etc, and i guess allows them to keep open full seats for full fare pax. They still allow car seats though, if they are all full.

I'll keep this thread updated with any progress made with Air NZ...

In any case it's not the NZ CAA preventing it. Their policy is in this document:

http://www.caa.govt.nz/fulltext/rule_pdf/Part_091_Consolidation.pdf

Rule 91, Apendix 5A from memory, which boils down to:

US, EU, OZ, and & NZ approved car seats are legal for inflight use, with a legal airline seatbelt. Top tethers are not allowed.


I think i'll try and call the FAA and see if their mandatory seat use policy appiles to foreign flagged carriers flying to/from US....


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11853 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4463 times:
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http://www.caa.govt.nz/fulltext/rule_pdf/Part_091_Consolidation.pdf


User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

Thanks for the link- for those interested, Appendix 5A is on page 121 of 136.

User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Success!

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Thank you for your email expressing your concerns with the information on
our website regarding the carriage of infant/child car seats onboard Air New
Zealand flights.

On review of this information, I do acknowledge that the information on our
website has not been updated.  On behalf of Air New Zealand, please accept
my sincere apologies for any inconvenience this may have caused you.  Please
be assured that this will be rectified shortly.

For infant's up to 6 months, we recommend an infant car seat, with a maximum
width of 43cms (17inches) and a maximum height of 48cms (19inches).  These
seats are rear facing seats.

For a child from 6 months to 2 years (which would pertain to your son
Zander), we recommend a child car seat with a maximum width of 43cms (17
inches) and a maximum height of 65cms (25.5 inches).  As you are aware,
these seats are forward facing seats.  Therefore, there should be no problem
in using your son's new ISOFIX restraint which is 43cms wide and 58cms high.

Ralph Norris,

CEO Air NZ.

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Yay to Air NZ!


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