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Air Canada Expects To Add Six Used Jets For 2005  
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 12172 times:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh93174_2004-11-15_14-39-14_n15627848_newsml

I am not sure if that news is related to another topic we had about the coming back of some 767 from the desert.

But what routes might that be? It speak of Latin America and Asia, so it's not for the heavy discussed Tehran or Beirut.

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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11838 times:

It speak of Latin America and Asia, so it's not for the heavy discussed Tehran or Beirut.

My friend, Tehran and Beirut ARE in Asia.  Smile



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11681 times:

@BA:

If I think about it....  Smile

Maybe I didn't realice it because in I am too much in aviation. We usually talk about geographic regions and not exactly continents. Maybe therefore I mentally place Beirut and Tehran in the Middle East and not to Asia, which I usually tend to shrink to the Far East.
On the other side the article speaks especially of Latin America, what excludes the USA. So I ask myself why the article didn't express in the same way the Middle East and East Asia if they mean that they want to introduce new routes to BEY, TEH and more to Japan, China etc. Why generalizing in Asia and differentiating in America?

So what do you expect will be the new destinations for the 6 aircrafts?



User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11674 times:

Does the communiter airline for AC still serve IND?


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User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11619 times:

Yes, Jazz is still in IND. I saw there Dash 8 there the other day.

User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 11613 times:

what concourse are they in? I have not been to IND since they rearranged the airlines.


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11480 times:

My friend, Tehran and Beirut ARE in Asia.

I thought they were in the Middle East!

Great to see AC's focusing on LatAm!

AC has just added LIM as a destination, and upgraded GRU to daily nonstop flights, and EZE to 6 x week direct flights (3 x week nonstop, and 3 x week stop-over in SCL).

Rgs,
Hardi



User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11462 times:

The Middle East is not a continent, but rather a region. Therefore Iran and Lebanon are in ASIA

Geography lesson for everyone

The 7 Continents are;

North America
South America
Europe
Africa
Asia
Australia
Antarctica

and the 4 Oceans are;

Atlantic
Pacific
Indian
Arctic


Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineBigD From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11457 times:

What type of aircraft do you think they'll pick up? The most obvious is used 767-300ERs but what about the possibility of getting used A340-300s or A330-200s?

BigD


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11418 times:

AirbusfanYYZ:

Lesson to anyone: South, Central and North America are ONE continent: The Americas. of course, this has been discussed here many times, with no conclusion, and let's not start again this endless discussion.

However, I think everybody understood AC's message: it focus is on Latin America (South, Central American and Caribbean) and Asia, meaning Far East Asian destinations. In the airline industry you never see strategic plans including the Middle East region together with Asia. So much so that in IATA's statistical table Middle East comes SEPARATE from Asia!

Rgs,
Hardi


User currently offlineElcapi1980 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11388 times:

The 7 Continents are;

North America
South America
Europe
Africa
Asia
Australia
Antarctica
-------------------------------------------------------

what ????...there are only six continents...
1- America
2-Europe
3-Africa
4-Asia
5-Oceania
6-Antartica




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User currently offlineJayce From Canada, joined Nov 1999, 520 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11377 times:

Hardiwv,

North America and South America are two completely separate continents. I learned that in the seventh grade.

Though I agree with you, I think AC will use these AC to increase frequencies from YYZ to Asia and Latin America and from YVR to Asia.

It's nice to see them flying more to Latin America, though I would love to see a YVR flight. CP used to operate YVR-LIM quite a few years ago.



"Trying is the first step towards failure" -Homer Simpson
User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11258 times:

Jayce,

what is Asia? I tend to follow Hardiw who argues that Asia is something different from the middle East in terms of Aviation.

Beside that, America is ONE continent. Therefore the IOC is symboled by 5 rings, one for each continent except Antarctica. Aviationwise it is divided into three regions (North, South and Latin/Caribic).


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4753 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11257 times:

Its pretty obvious and sensible for AC to scout the used B 767-300ER market than the A343/A332 market as there are many more B 763ERs available than those Airbus widebodies. If the Airbus widebodies were available, then Etihad Airways of AUH would have snapped them up ASAP.

AC should look into approaching financially strapped carriers who need extra cash and can obtain it via leasing AC its B 763ERs such as DELTA, AMERICAN and UNITED AIRLINES respectively.

AC can use 1 B 763ER for 3-4 weekyl YUL-BEY-YUL nonstop flights and it would also be wise to send a B 763ER 5 weekly or daily nonstop from YVR to Brazil preferably GRU because of the numerous ASIAN connections available out of YVR compared to YYZ.

Lots of Brazilians now use AC to get to Asia because of the new US Customs law (where as Brazilians dont need a transit visa 4 Canada) and from YVR u can fly AC nonstop to ICN-NRT-KIX-PEK-PVG-HKG-NGO-BKK etc where as from YYZ there are only nonstop flights available to HKG and NRT.

And since RG-Varig is also a STAR ALLIANCE member like AC, the possibilities of codesharing on the YVR-Brazil and YVR-Asian routes are numerous  Big grin


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

YVR-GRU is pretty tough to do with a 767-300. It's 400 nm further than YYZ-NRT which is about as far as AC dares fly a 767-300. I believe you need a 343 to YVR-GRU, so the economics are tough.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4753 posts, RR: 43
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 11156 times:

oh ok...I didnt know that...thanks for pointing that out...however a B 762ER could easily do the job then but having to re-fit the B 762ERs with the new AC Y and J class product would be a costly initiative to undertake so it probably wouldnt work as also the capacity of the B 762 (180-190 seats) isnt large enough to warrant a frequent YVR-GRU service. On such routes, the A 332 comes so much in handy  Smile

If the A 343 is to be used on this route then it probably would be wise extending the flight from GRU to EZE in order to generate more traffic and high yield pax flying to Asia and vice versa.


User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4913 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11038 times:

Internally, they have announced the 2 B767-200s from the desert, 3 B767-300s from GE Capital, and an A340-300, I am not sure about the rest.


Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1723 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11027 times:

I guess it would be a wise move by Air Canada by just leasing older planes right now. They have to test some markets and see what happens before they commit for new long range A/C

As to whether BEY and Tehran are in Asia or the Middle East, I think we all know our geographies...But BEY businesswise is in the Middle East and not Asia.


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1768 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11004 times:

There are 7 continents:
North America
South America
Europe
Africa
Asia
Australia
Antartica

North America and South America are two different continents, PERIOD. End of discussion. It is something that is taught in every school across this land.

JoFMO, the 5 rings of the IOC represent: North America, South America, Asia, Africa and Europe. Australia and Antartica were not considered continents back when the 5 rings of the IOC were created.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4753 posts, RR: 43
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 10974 times:

In "airline language", Asia refers to the Far East mainly and not the entire continent. When u read AF-KLM-LH-LX-BA etc timetable highlights for winter or summer u will see the sections are :

1. North America (USA and CAN only...MEX is not included here)
2. Middle East
3. Africa
4. Asia
5. Latin America (MEX till Argentina excluding Caribbean areas)
6. Central America (Caribbean-Dom Repub areas)
7. Australia
8. Europe

However "geographically" the Middle East is indeed part of Asia and South America is a different and seperate continent from North America.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10929 times:

Don't believe all what your teacher told you  Smile

It seems to depent from which point of view you look at the question, but my explanation for the olynpic flag seems to be more apropriate  Smile

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/The-Americas

The Americas (sometimes referred to as America) is the area including the land mass located between the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, generally divided into North America and South America. The term also usually includes the Caribbean, the islands in and around the Caribbean Sea, and Greenland, though not Iceland, for cultural and historical reasons. The isthmus of Central America is usually considered geographically part of North America. The Americas are often also described collectively as the Western Hemisphere or the New World.

Most references in English assume that that there are two continents, North America and South America. In American Spanish, however, the assumption is that there is a single continent, America. Moreover, the use of America to refer to the New World as a whole is also found in English, such as in the common phrase “Christopher Columbus discovered America”.

The single-continent concept also appears thematically; for example, the five rings of the Olympic flag represent the habitable continents; only one of the five represents all of the Americas.

People who live in the Americas are sometimes referred to as being American, although the word ‘American’ is used much more commonly, and, indeed, nearly exclusively in English, to refer to a citizen of the United States of America. The Spanish language uses norteamericano ("North American") or estadounidense (literally "United Statesian") when referring to U.S. citizens, and the French language which sometimes accepts ''

tats-unien'' ( tats-unienne for women). In Portuguese, people born in United States of America are mostly termed norteamericano instead of americano, while estadunidense is rarely used, and almost exclusively as an ideological statement that the term American shouldn't be reserved for the people of the USA, but many consider this should be the preferred name to be used. On the other hand, Mexico is properly the United States of Mexico.




User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10894 times:

Several ppl say CAN is a possibility for AC. I think Asian routes will generate money. Or they can add more EC flights from YVR as there was a CDG flight from YVR many years ago.

But if this happens will it need an A340-300?



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User currently offlineAC7E7 From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 644 posts, RR: 22
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10804 times:

I see AC getting more B767-300s, but what does the used market look like for A340-300s? What about A330-200/300s?

-Brandon



Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat.
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10794 times:

I look at things from a geographic perspective.

The Middle East is nothing but a region and MOST of the region resides in Asia. Some of it is in Africa (Egypt excluding the Sinai peninsula) and some of it is in Europe (Turkey, the part west of the Bosphorus strait).

The Middle East is meant nothing more than to characterize the distinctive culture and ethnicities this part of the world has.

Indeed, North America and South America are regarded as two independant continents.

North America consists of Canada, United States, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America.

And yes, Central America is indeed part of North America and contrary to popular belief, Mexico is NOT part of Central America even though it is pretty central.

That's the geography lesson of the day children.  Smile

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4780 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 10710 times:

I see AC getting more B767-300s, but what does the used market look like for A340-300s? What about A330-200/300s?

The number of available A330-200/300s with RR Trent 772 engines is either nil or almost nil. The A330-200 would be a good choice for AC if they are looking for more Airbuses to open new routes such as the ones speculated, but they would probably have to add yet another engine type to the fleet. Once in a while there are rumours (and nothing more than that) making the rounds that TS would like to ditch its A330s for smaller aircraft - in that case AC would be a good match already operating Trent 772 A330s.


25 Njoizflyin : Listen to this. An endless discussion about what continents are and the original topic was about AC obtaining some extra jets! This is what's wrong wi
26 AC7E7 : Thanks CPDC10-30. Though I wouldn't mind seeing A330-200s in AC fleet, I somehow doubt it will happen, mostly because of the engine issue you mentione
27 Post contains images Alitis : To further confuse the matter, Olympic Airlines (now Airways) has 6 rings........ -alitis
28 Post contains links and images Alitis : Follow up for above message: 6 rings View Large View MediumPhoto © Eric Fortin
29 BigD : Longhauler, Thanks for the insight into what's going on internally at AC. I'm glad to see that there will be at least one additional A340-300 and thre
30 AirbusCanada : Can 340-300 make it to Tehran no stop from Toronto/Montreal without weight penalty? How much money will they be saving by using used 340-300 instead o
31 BOEING747-700 : From what I have seen with Air Canada, if they get 767-300ERs they will no doubt be GE powered as the latest ones were ordered with them. I would asum
32 EnviroTO : Europe and most of Asia are on the same continental plate and North and South America are on completely different plates. The six major plates are the
33 Post contains links JoFMO : We should really stop this non-ending geographic discussion. @Enviro: But you should have a look on a tectonical map and you will see that your commen
34 Sebring : THR is, in my view, a diversion. It will come, but I don't necessarily consider it a priority. I've seen a number of lists of new destinations under c
35 AC7E7 : I would agree with you BOEING747-700, I think they will stick with one engine type if they got more A330s, however, I don't see more of those coming.
36 Pictues : Air CAnada only has 6 PW powered B767-300's and those are the original Air Canada B767's the rest are GE powered as they came from Canadian and leased
37 Post contains images EnviroTO : There are a few routes I am surprised do not yet exist and wouldn't be surprised to see eventually: - Toronto to Lisbon (Large Portugese community in
38 Post contains images TriStar500 : Just to stray further off-topic... The sixth ring of the OA logo symolizes Greece.
39 Ktachiya : EnviroTO When I checked somewhere in May there was a TPE. I have no idea if this was the computer error but I am well aware that currently. China Airl
40 Post contains images Maersk737 : Yes TriStar500: Olympic Airways were not allowed to use the "five ring symbol" I also learned in school " 7 continents" Cheers Peter
41 Hardiwv : Lots of Brazilians now use AC to get to Asia because of the new US Customs law (where as Brazilians dont need a transit visa 4 Canada) and from YVR u
42 Ktachiya : Somebody mentioned before that maybe AC can start a YVR-MEX But isn't this currently code-shared with Mexicana? And YVR-MEX will just increase competi
43 Post contains links Atmx2000 : How many continents are on the earth? It suffices to say that different countries and regions count continents in different ways. I was taught the sev
44 Yukimizake : It would be good to see them add YYZ-KIX. It would sell well, there is a significant Kansai community in Toronto. As for this endless bickering about
45 Robsawatsky : Since we generally fly airport-to-airport, as long as the pilot is flying the right lat/long it really doesn't matter which or how many continents he
46 AC_B777 : Actually Pictues, there are five more P&W powered 767's in the fleet. FIN's 652, 653, 655, 686 and 687 are 3Y0ER's that are not original AC or CP mach
47 Crj 900 : I say bring on the Boeings, but I'm sure it'll be a mix. Hey Longhauler, what was the reason from HDQ for the 747 retirement?
48 AC7E7 : Would it not be cheaper in the long run to use one engine-type rather than both PWs and GEs? Why continue to add PWs if most of the fleet is already G
49 ZK-NBT : Air NZ are returning some GE 763ER's to the leasors next year, wonder if AC will take any of these?
50 Ktachiya : YYZ-KIX This was suggested before since YYZ had a fairly big Kansai community. The problem is, a B767-300ER or 767-200ER would have to be used. So the
51 Wolfy : Heard that HMYis applying for YVR-TPE, so AC will have to either give it to HMY or start the service again next Spring. Right now CI is code sharing w
52 Bmacleod : The 767-300 is the backbone of AC's fleet so it would make the most sense to add more of them. It's range and passenger capacity makes it ideal for mo
53 JoFMO : @Wolfy: what is HMY?
54 LongHauler : CRJ900 The main reason that was quoted was that a 3 airplane fleet was not economic. While they were ideally suited to the routes on which they were f
55 Ramprat : The newest rumor floating around is that maybe the 747's might be making a return to AC's fleet. Not the combi's, but apparently we are taking 6 of Un
56 JoFMO : @Ramprat: For which route do you see demand for an upgrade to a 747?
57 Ramprat : Possibly Hong Kong, Tokyo, London..... Not 100% sure to be honest, like I said, its just a rumor going around work. I am told that because 763/340's w
58 Whiteguy : There are lots of rumours floating around. The latest I heard from a couple of pilots yesterday was that it was a done deal. 4 B763s are on the way pl
59 BOEING747-700 : Though as much as I would love to see AC bring back the 747, its not going to happen. The 747 pilots told me that they are moving on to the Airbus A34
60 Post contains images CaptainGomes : Adding to that 6 aircraft rumour, I heard it was 777's from United. Do I believe it? No. Would I like to see it? Yes.
61 Ktachiya : YVR-TPE So will the one additional A340-300 fly that route? I think its pretty hard on a 767-300ER right? Well if it can fly YYZ-NRT, It can probably
62 Airbus Lover : Ktachiya, it's simple. If they could, they would. As simple as if there is demand then they will meet it. There's no point always asking why isn't AC
63 Ktachiya : Whiteguy When are they expected to join the fleet then? AC, someday will surplus NH and might end up having the largest number of 767's then. (my thou
64 JfkYYZ : Didn't Milton say something about capicity on ICN as well from YYZ?
65 Tennisace : No, I'm not continuing the "how many continents" discussion........ Looks like Air Canada is indeed gearing up for more long-haul with this applicatio
66 Ktachiya : Tennisace, Then you think they have to get 5th freedom rights?
67 Tennisace : Well, they pretty much have to, unless AC is planning on getting more A340-500's which isn't too likely. It's interesting, I was looking at the STAR A
68 Yegbey01 : Any chance there will be at least summer service from YEG to Europe (LHR or FRA)....
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