JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 11027 times:
If I think about it....
Maybe I didn't realice it because in I am too much in aviation. We usually talk about geographic regions and not exactly continents. Maybe therefore I mentally place Beirut and Tehran in the Middle East and not to Asia, which I usually tend to shrink to the Far East.
On the other side the article speaks especially of Latin America, what excludes the USA. So I ask myself why the article didn't express in the same way the Middle East and East Asia if they mean that they want to introduce new routes to BEY, TEH and more to Japan, China etc. Why generalizing in Asia and differentiating in America?
So what do you expect will be the new destinations for the 6 aircrafts?
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 10764 times:
Lesson to anyone: South, Central and North America are ONE continent: The Americas. of course, this has been discussed here many times, with no conclusion, and let's not start again this endless discussion.
However, I think everybody understood AC's message: it focus is on Latin America (South, Central American and Caribbean) and Asia, meaning Far East Asian destinations. In the airline industry you never see strategic plans including the Middle East region together with Asia. So much so that in IATA's statistical table Middle East comes SEPARATE from Asia!
JoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10604 times:
what is Asia? I tend to follow Hardiw who argues that Asia is something different from the middle East in terms of Aviation.
Beside that, America is ONE continent. Therefore the IOC is symboled by 5 rings, one for each continent except Antarctica. Aviationwise it is divided into three regions (North, South and Latin/Caribic).
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4655 posts, RR: 43 Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10603 times:
Its pretty obvious and sensible for AC to scout the used B 767-300ER market than the A343/A332 market as there are many more B 763ERs available than those Airbus widebodies. If the Airbus widebodies were available, then Etihad Airways of AUH would have snapped them up ASAP.
AC should look into approaching financially strapped carriers who need extra cash and can obtain it via leasing AC its B 763ERs such as DELTA, AMERICAN and UNITED AIRLINES respectively.
AC can use 1 B 763ER for 3-4 weekyl YUL-BEY-YUL nonstop flights and it would also be wise to send a B 763ER 5 weekly or daily nonstop from YVR to Brazil preferably GRU because of the numerous ASIAN connections available out of YVR compared to YYZ.
Lots of Brazilians now use AC to get to Asia because of the new US Customs law (where as Brazilians dont need a transit visa 4 Canada) and from YVR u can fly AC nonstop to ICN-NRT-KIX-PEK-PVG-HKG-NGO-BKK etc where as from YYZ there are only nonstop flights available to HKG and NRT.
And since RG-Varig is also a STAR ALLIANCE member like AC, the possibilities of codesharing on the YVR-Brazil and YVR-Asian routes are numerous
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4655 posts, RR: 43 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 10502 times:
oh ok...I didnt know that...thanks for pointing that out...however a B 762ER could easily do the job then but having to re-fit the B 762ERs with the new AC Y and J class product would be a costly initiative to undertake so it probably wouldnt work as also the capacity of the B 762 (180-190 seats) isnt large enough to warrant a frequent YVR-GRU service. On such routes, the A 332 comes so much in handy
If the A 343 is to be used on this route then it probably would be wise extending the flight from GRU to EZE in order to generate more traffic and high yield pax flying to Asia and vice versa.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4655 posts, RR: 43 Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 10320 times:
In "airline language", Asia refers to the Far East mainly and not the entire continent. When u read AF-KLM-LH-LX-BA etc timetable highlights for winter or summer u will see the sections are :
1. North America (USA and CAN only...MEX is not included here)
2. Middle East
5. Latin America (MEX till Argentina excluding Caribbean areas)
6. Central America (Caribbean-Dom Repub areas)
However "geographically" the Middle East is indeed part of Asia and South America is a different and seperate continent from North America.
The Americas (sometimes referred to as America) is the area including the land mass located between the Pacific Ocean and the Atlantic Ocean, generally divided into North America and South America. The term also usually includes the Caribbean, the islands in and around the Caribbean Sea, and Greenland, though not Iceland, for cultural and historical reasons. The isthmus of Central America is usually considered geographically part of North America. The Americas are often also described collectively as the Western Hemisphere or the New World.
Most references in English assume that that there are two continents, North America and South America. In American Spanish, however, the assumption is that there is a single continent, America. Moreover, the use of America to refer to the New World as a whole is also found in English, such as in the common phrase “Christopher Columbus discovered America”.
The single-continent concept also appears thematically; for example, the five rings of the Olympic flag represent the habitable continents; only one of the five represents all of the Americas.
People who live in the Americas are sometimes referred to as being American, although the word ‘American’ is used much more commonly, and, indeed, nearly exclusively in English, to refer to a citizen of the United States of America. The Spanish language uses norteamericano ("North American") or estadounidense (literally "United Statesian") when referring to U.S. citizens, and the French language which sometimes accepts ''
tats-unien'' ( tats-unienne for women). In Portuguese, people born in United States of America are mostly termed norteamericano instead of americano, while estadunidense is rarely used, and almost exclusively as an ideological statement that the term American shouldn't be reserved for the people of the USA, but many consider this should be the preferred name to be used. On the other hand, Mexico is properly the United States of Mexico.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11150 posts, RR: 60 Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10140 times:
I look at things from a geographic perspective.
The Middle East is nothing but a region and MOST of the region resides in Asia. Some of it is in Africa (Egypt excluding the Sinai peninsula) and some of it is in Europe (Turkey, the part west of the Bosphorus strait).
The Middle East is meant nothing more than to characterize the distinctive culture and ethnicities this part of the world has.
Indeed, North America and South America are regarded as two independant continents.
North America consists of Canada, United States, Mexico, the Caribbean, and Central America.
And yes, Central America is indeed part of North America and contrary to popular belief, Mexico is NOT part of Central America even though it is pretty central.
That's the geography lesson of the day children.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
CPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4761 posts, RR: 25 Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 10056 times:
I see AC getting more B767-300s, but what does the used market look like for A340-300s? What about A330-200/300s?
The number of available A330-200/300s with RR Trent 772 engines is either nil or almost nil. The A330-200 would be a good choice for AC if they are looking for more Airbuses to open new routes such as the ones speculated, but they would probably have to add yet another engine type to the fleet. Once in a while there are rumours (and nothing more than that) making the rounds that TS would like to ditch its A330s for smaller aircraft - in that case AC would be a good match already operating Trent 772 A330s.
25 Njoizflyin: Listen to this. An endless discussion about what continents are and the original topic was about AC obtaining some extra jets! This is what's wrong wi
26 AC7E7: Thanks CPDC10-30. Though I wouldn't mind seeing A330-200s in AC fleet, I somehow doubt it will happen, mostly because of the engine issue you mentione
27 Alitis: To further confuse the matter, Olympic Airlines (now Airways) has 6 rings........ -alitis