DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 25 Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4445 times:
I just caught this excerpt from Boeing's Marketing V.P. of of Boeing's website:
"On transoceanic routes and long transcontinental routes, the Boeing 777s and 7E7s provide the versatility to serve major and secondary city pairs," Baseler added. "The 747-400 will maintain a key role in hub operations for many years. In addition, we are studying the 747 Advanced, which will improve upon the current version." -Boeing Marketing V.P. Randy Baseler
This, more or less, firms up that Boeing is planning on following up with its earlier 747ADV thoughts. . . . . .just a tad more serious about it. I might be reading between the lines a bit, but IMO, I believe we'll see the 747ADV come to fruition.
I can feel myself tied to the stake with the flames rising on this one . . .
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Trex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 5245 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4164 times:
If Boeing don't commit to the 747Adv soon everyone who needs a 747 replacement will have gone to 773/A346 and/or A380. They need to offer something soon. I just hope this is not all talk like the prev 747 derivatives.
StickShaker From Australia, joined Sep 2004, 777 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4007 times:
..."The window of opportunity is closing fast"....
The current window of opportunity exists until shortly after the EIS of the A380. This is when in service performance data will become available to airlines who may be considering the A380 but want proof of its performance. Many of these airlines will have large 744 fleets and would find integrating the 747Adv into their fleets a much cheaper exercise than the A380 due to commonality issues. Assuming the 747Adv will fit into existing gates, taxiways etc then there is also a much larger number of airports that could handle the stretched 747 rather than the A380.
The large number of 747's still currently giving good service (and earning revenue) suggest that the aircraft's demise would be premature at this point in time. There is a significant replacement market, not all of which is likely to be met by the B773/A346.
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1958 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
Boeing Marketing V.P. Randy Baseler
Well, the mans job is to tell positive news about Boeing and their products. I can't see this as a definite proof that the B747ADV will come. I do hope the mighty B747 will be around for years to come.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 14004 posts, RR: 46
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3749 times:
Many of these airlines will have large 744 fleets and would find integrating the 747Adv into their fleets a much cheaper exercise than the A380 due to commonality issues.
I don't think this is as true as it may look on the surface.
The plane may be the same shape (but a bit longer) than a 744, but just about everything else in it will be different. I would have thought the work involved to introduce the 747Adv would be very close to that associated with a completely new type.
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DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3537 times:
"Has Boeing indicated whether or not the the B747Adv would have a new wing?"
The 747ADV will have either a new wing, or heavy refinements to the existing one. Engines will be upgraded and the fuselage will be lengthened. These refinements are probably just a few of thousands that would be implemented for an ADV model.
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Airgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3183 times:
I think 747s will be around for a L O N G time to come. They are the most popular, reliable, and safe international planes.
As always, bigger and better versions of the 747 will always be coming out periodicly.
I'm not a huge fan of the new A340 because even though it is two full decks it's like really short- and the 747 makes the compensation for that.
I mean don't the 747 and A340 have about the same passenger compacity?
I think if Boeing continues production of the 747 than in a while the 747s deck will keep stretching and keep stretching- and before to long you have a plane that is like 3 A340s all together.
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 27802 posts, RR: 74
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3177 times:
>I'm not a huge fan of the new A340 because even though it is two full decks it's like really short- and the 747 makes the compensation for that.
I mean don't the 747 and A340 have about the same passenger compacity?<
I think you are talking about the A380. I also think you are talking about passenger capacity. And no, the A380 is supposed to have 500-550 seats in a 3 class layout, while the current 747-400 runs about 400 in a true 3 class layout (no Y+ cabin, with a true F, J, and Y). The 747ADV would be 450 in a true 3 class
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Ltbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13505 posts, RR: 17
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3082 times:
From another thread here, with connections to a newspaper article, it notes that the 747 ADV is proposed for by 2010. It would use the engines being developed for the 7E7 (thus spreading out development costs). The article also notes that the 747ADV would also try to be a 'niche' a/c, between the 777/A340's and the A380, with special long haul sleeper seats, flat beds. This article also noted that production is at 2-3 a month of 747's, there is a modest backlog of orders good for a couple of years and about 2/3'rds of orders are for Freighter versions.
I would also assume that the 747ADV could also incorporate the composite technologies to be used in the 7E7, also spreading out development costs. Todays computer technologies can also help in the ADV designing and engineering, to improve fuel efficiency. There are still many customers who's politics and MX people are familiar with the 747 and may not want to stray into Airbus a/c's as would have to retrain.
I think we will see 747's being made in some form until 2020.