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AA's New IFE System!  
User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Here is the article; it will be published in tommorrow's (16/Nov/04) New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/16/business/16road.html


I think this thing will be a failure...too expensive for short flights...and flight attendants will HATE it.

Maybe if it were $5 and came with a large selection of programming (like Virgin's v|Port) it WOULD be a good idea.


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User currently offlineScott4AA From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

Here is the link directly from AA's website:

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pressReleases/2004_11/15_ped.jhtml

I was unable to view the link in the original post.

--Scott



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User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

If you think about it it is a good idea. Say you are on a flight ORD-FCO and all you had were the T.V.'s that you possibly might not be able to see. It would be better than nothing. ON both the long hauls and the short hauls I think it is a great idea.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4467 times:

I think NW is thinking about this, then again, they may put IFE back into the cabin once things pick back up instead of this stuff.


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User currently offline777boy From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4414 times:

Will they plug into the power adapters like the DVD players they give in business on international 767 flights? 5 hours seems like a really short battery life for trans-Atlantic or trans-Pacific flights.

Matt


User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4305 times:

It seems cool, but a $10-$12 rental fee seems pretty high for me.


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User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2272 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4153 times:

The new IFE system is intended for domestic use at this time, hence, a five hour battery life is perfectly fine. The original idea for the unit was developed after AA decided to add the MD-80s back to ORD-West Coast flights when it moves the 738s to MIA.

As far as the cost, I believe AS charges $10 for their units which are similar. But I also believe you can reserve them ahead of time for $5. Maybe something for AA to think about. Anyone on here from AS know how these devices are doing there? As far as content goes, I don't know of any built-in IFE system with as much content as these units have.

Believe it or not, the flight attendants are actually embracing this new system. All that's involved on the flight attendant's part is to hand them out and collect them. The units come right out of the cart fully charged and loaded, and they have their own swiper for credit cards. The passenger swipes the card themselves to activate the unit. No money is handled by the flight attendant. We've long wanted an entertainment option on the MD-80, and this is the most affordable to way to do it, and, it creates a whole new revenue stream for AA.

On another note, to increase revenue, AA will raise the price of headsets from $2.00 to $5.00. You'll remember AA used to rent the headsets for five, but changed their policy to sell them for two. I don't remember the start date, sometime in the next month, but they'll go back to five dollars. The headsets are still being sold, however, not rented. Customers are encouraged to bring them back and use them on other flights. Also, pax can bring their own headset and use it for no charge.



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User currently onlineAacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3968 times:
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QQ,

Headsets go to 5.00 on the 1st Dec. As for embracing the new IFE units..... Well dont include me. Even though this test is only taking place on domestic flights, we already have the experience of handing out Bose headsets on Intl flights, and it is a darn nightmare...... Passengers usually are still watching a movie when its already time to collect these units, and they dont want to give them up. Then, after 2 or three times of nicely asking for the units, you come back and tell them they need to give them up and then you´re the mean F/A...... Everybody needs to understand that these units have to be inventoried and locked up. As a Purser I´ve had flights that even after we land, we´re still dealing with this headset issue. And that is on an over 8 hours flight. Imagine on a shorter one.... And dealing with all of M/C. I hope we´re wrong, but I just dont see how this is going to work.


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3207 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

This is not gonna work,

Im sure first class passengers will appreciate it for free, but its not really practile for economy class passengers. Who's really gonna fork out $12?
Not that many people i can imagine. However Im sure if you used, even the old fashoned CRT tv monitors in the isle, and gave out the headseats for free, everybody would watch.

That and Jetblue gives you it for free!
You can't really push it big time in any advertising campaign if the next thing you have to tell everybody is that there is a heafty charge for it.
I can see why AA probably can't or doesn't want to spend the money for PTV's in every seat on MD-80 aircraft, but how about drop down LCD screens like on A320s/ some 737s on part of the fleet that could be assigned to longer routes?


User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2272 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

AAcun:

I, too, am a Purser and flew international at BOS and JFK. I guess we just have a different way of looking at things. I totally understand the problems with the Bose headsets, but it has never been a nightmare for me. Domestically, it appears the ease of use of the units and very little flight attendant interaction are gaining the device praise. We're tired of near five hour flights on MD-80s with no IFE for the pax. With no money involved and simple handout and pickup procedures, I think the FAs will get used to this quite quickly. For me, it'll be just like handing out the personal DVD players.

Lufthansa:

Pre 9/11, AA was in the process of picking out an IFE system for the MD-80s with drop down LCDs. Unfortunately, it was one of the first improvement projects out the window when the econ tanked. I don't think we'll ever see them now. Besides, not only does this new unit give AA an entertainment option on the MD-80, it also creates a revenue stream that could be expanded to include other fleet types. AA already has plans to test it on some 757 markets.

I still wish someone from AS would comment on how these devices are doing there. I verified with the AS website their units rent for $10. Here's a link to their website with more info about the digEplayer: http://www.alaskaair.com/as/www2/Flights/digEplayer.asp

AA's devices will be very similar in terms of content, plus they'll have digital newspapers updated daily. AA's devices resemble a personal DVD player.

The other thing to keep in mind is their won't be a unit onboard for every pax. 60 is a lot, but I highly doubt we'll actually use that many. That would beat even AA's most optimistic projections. On the other hand, I fully admit it will be a challenge if we start handing out more than 30 units on any given flight.

[Edited 2004-11-16 22:16:25]


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User currently offlineTrey From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 250 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

jesus,
i didn't realize handing out IFE packs was such a pain
glad to see there is at least one FA who can handle this harsh duty.


User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Big deal, they still don't have channel 9!

(just kidding)

Be interesting to see how this test plays out...

ORD2PHL


User currently onlineAacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3101 times:
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Trey,

The problem is not handing them out. Its when the pax. dont want to return them..... BUt then I cant expect you to have an idea about what Im saying..... And Qq fly boy, I hope you´re right. But after 20 years flying, I have my doubts this will work. Nothing like having the system right on your seat........


User currently offlinePictues From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3057 times:

Air Canada is putting it in all seats for all planes starting next year (International aircraft being outfitted first) and the CRJ 705's going to Jazz are going to be the first planes with personal TV's in the seat backs. You will be able to watch Movies, pre-recorded TV Programs, all on-demand, listen to music, and in the future their is already a prevision for Live TV. I say the system is going to be better then Westjet's and Jetblue's system.

The Seatback TV's will be installed in the new seats Air Canada is putting in its entire fleet starting next year with the international aircraft being fitted first. Also will have lie down beds in all International Aircraft J Class cabins.


User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

This thing will fail... I think they should have kept the MRTC because I'm certainly not happy flying AA's B757s, they are cattle cars of the air! I think again AA misses the mark when it comes to figuring out what its passengers want.

If I am on a 5-hour domestic flight I will be more concerned about having room to stretch than having my knees crushed by the seat in front of me while I stare like a retard at a high-tech idiot box. Certainly this is something to keep AA's FAs happy on aircraft that don't have visual entertainment systems (MD-80). Distracted passengers are less work.

[Edited 2004-11-17 03:26:53]


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