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F/A's Call For A Nationwide Strike  
User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 355 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6922 times:

Union President Calls for Nationwide Strike
Tuesday November 16, 10:01 am ET
Flight Attendants Say 'No' to Unrelenting Concessions


PITTSBURGH, Nov. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- Patricia Friend, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, today called on the union's Board of Directors to authorize a nationwide strike against the concerted effort by airline management to wipe out union contracts and deprive employees of their livelihood. AFA represents flight attendants at 26 airlines.
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"We will stand up for the profession we have built by taking a stand for flight attendants everywhere, in this country and around the world," Friend declared to board members at the opening of the board's annual meeting, in Pittsburgh. "Airline management needs to understand that there will be serious consequences if they persist in their attacks on our contracts."

Friend noted that through bankruptcy, management has made an end run around the collective bargaining process by threatening liquidation and introducing a third party, the court, with the power to impose a draconian settlement. For example, US Airways last week asked a court to approve its plan to tear up its union contracts, scrap its pension plans and eliminate health coverage for retirees. United Airlines, the nation's second-largest carrier, wants nearly $140 million in concessions from flight attendants, on top of the $314 million annually it has already extracted from the flight attendant work group. United also seeks hundreds of millions more by attempting to terminate its pension plans. Seven carriers with AFA representation are currently in bankruptcy, and others are on the brink.

"Our entire industry is in turmoil and the careers of our flight attendants all hang in the balance," Friend said. "Pensions, for which flight attendants have dedicated many years of hard work, are being wiped out with the sound of a judge's gavel. Health care coverage for employees in an essentially unhealthy work environment is reaching cost levels unaffordable to flight attendants who every year sacrifice more of their income to 'save their airline.' Almost everywhere we look, flight attendants are being forced to work longer hours with reduced rest time, and all for ever-decreasing wages. This must stop"

The AFA Board of Directors is expected to act on a resolution authorizing a strike later today.

More than 46,000 flight attendants join together to form AFA, the world's largest flight attendant union. AFA is part of the 700,000 member strong Communications Workers of America, AFL-CIO. Visit us at http://www.afanet.org.




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Source: Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, AFL-CIO




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User currently offlineBraniff727 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

Is it just me or is this starting to look a lot like Eastern Airlines?

I understand that the groups are not happy about the state of the industry, but this to me seems completely foolish on their part. If they do in fact strike, they would cripple the two airlines in the worst financial state.

They are either really foolish, or really smart hoping their respective companies shut down and they, some of them, get picked up by another, more financially sound airline.

Just my two cents.



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6814 times:

Why the hell would ANY airline employee support this move? Don't you realize that if there was an industrywide strike the legal backlash would be severe - I cringe at the thought of what a GOP President & Congress would do to American labor laws in the aftermath of such a job action.

Besides, striking AFA members only translate to more flying business for non-AFA represented FAs (e.g., DL/CO/NW/AA), as the AFA carriers go bankrupt or liquidate in short order.

[Edited 2004-11-16 17:21:41]


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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6797 times:

Is there a legal way to get rid of these Unions?

User currently offlineSfo777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Sounds like what all of us pax was hoping wouldn't happen - that UAL is shut down by the flight attendants. Are the work changes the legacy airlines requesting really that onerous? Will they be working harder than Southwest F/As?

User currently offlineMiamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6778 times:

This is a page from the Frank Lorenzo playbook. But in this case, to strike now, would be suicidal. My opinion is that the chiefs and the indians have to make nice. The days of a CEO making 10M while the operation is in the crapper have to be gone. Just like the unions protecting the lazy and inept from being fired; there is no place for this in this day and age.

User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6747 times:

Christmas is just around the cornor for Jetblue, Indy and friends if this happens.

They'd be really stupid to do it, unless they could get the other unions on board too, but I believe this could be exactly what delta wanted.

Can you imagine? I somehow doubt ppl at the other carriers would vote in favour, i think they'd rather secure their own jobs.
Do we know exactly what carriers would be effected if this went ahead?

If they only get UA and US this wouldn't be effective for their cause.


User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

The first airline that goes on strike will ensure that their airline will go out of business and will be liquidated.


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User currently online727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6384 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6661 times:

Seven carriers with AFA representation are currently in bankruptcy, and others are on the brink.

UA,US,TZ.....who else make up 7?  Confused
HA still in Ch. 11?



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User currently offlineOrdinduaflyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

It's not as if the FAs (or other airline employees) don't have my sympathy with respect to the givebacks, etc that are being asked of them. BUT, the thought of going on strike against an airline, particularly one in a difficult financial situation such as UA, US, etc is about as smart as throwing the baby out with the bathwater. As mentioned above ref: Eastern...a strike would be the last nail in the coffin. Does the AFA think there are enough jobs within the industry that they'll be able to easily pick up and start flying with another airline should their current employer go under? Hopefully this is just posturing on the part of AFA management and the union membership is not in support of such an action.

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6550 times:

I don't think that it is fair to ask all the F/A's nationwide represented by the AFA to go on strike. CO hasn't asked for any wage givebacks from any of its employees, so why should CO F/A's go on strike? Nothing bad has been done to them.

User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Hey, instead of threatening to strike, do us all a favor and FIND ANOTHER JOB.


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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6465 times:

This is the most nauseating example of gross stupidity I have ever heard of. I sincerely hope that this union president is the only moron supporting this insane idea. Surely nobody in their right mind would vote for it.

If such a strike happens several airlines will go out of business for good. A few hundred thousand people will be without work, and very few of them will ever work in the airline industry again because the jobs won't be there any more. A lot of these people will be looking at long term unemployment because the economy will be back in a recession. And then there's the extreme inconvenience it would cause the traveling public, something I seriously doubt the union has even thought about.

I have an idea: why don't we all send an e-mail to the union telling them what a stupid idea this is. Their address is: afatalk@afanet.org. I'm going to.





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User currently offlineSfo777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6448 times:


I think that the UAL F/As deliver outstanding service and know I could count on them in an emergency - I'm sorry to see them choosing to do this.

I agree with Boeing757/767. The plain fact is that the airline industry has changed dramatically and those who are choosing not to change should find other jobs instead of dragging down the company, their fellow workers, and the millions of passengers who have faithfully supported their respective companies through buying tickets and putting up with a fairly huge decline in service due to cutbacks. I do think there are enough passengers in the US who might pay a little more for service but they don't want to pay much more and there is going to need to be a redefinition of what everyone does around flying folks from point a to b.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

It's really a shame that the union does such a disservice to their dues paying members by putting out a possibility that could not possibly happen.

Each airline labor contract is governed by the Railway Labor Act. The rules regarding strikes under the RLA are very specific, and there are many steps that must be followed before the company can impose new work rules/or the union can strike. That's why airline industry labor negotiations tend to drag on for YEARS, because it is so hard to get to the "self-help" point.

IMO, the AFA showed their total ignorance of the basic tenants of business. If I'm not mistaken, didn't the AFA recently become part of the CWA? Their business acumen must not be too good at all.

Maybe the AFA should consider lowering their dues, in order to empathize with their rank and file. But I doubt that'll happen. After all, the union leaders have their lifestyle to maintain, right?

French style "national strikes" don't work in France, and thankfully, can't happen here!


User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6304 times:


"French style "national strikes" don't work in France, and thankfully, can't happen here! "


Actually other unions have a right to do a sympathy strike with the AFA. For example Easterns IAM went on strike and ALPA sympathized with the union and also went on strike. The rest is history. If ALPA wanted they can also do a sympathy strike(I doubt it). This is very ugly for everybody.


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6263 times:

I hope they don't but the next 4 years very well could be organized labor's last stand. As a union member in a state soon to be controlled by a GOP legislature and Governor (Matt Blunt-Missouri) I understand the frustration.
Blunt's goal is to make Missouri a right-to-work state which will in effect render my union toothless. I am neither gung-ho union nor gung-ho company. I do however that I should be able to support myself with one full-time job. After the union sold me down the river earlier this year (no raise for 2-3 years but free insurance, in other words I get squat while people with umpteen kids get free health coverage) I'll be the first to resign from the union when the state does go right-to-work. It would not be in my best interest to shut my company down but if they suddenly told me I'ld be making 20% less I'ld be in dire straits. I have been looking for another job for 3 YEARS, but to start at the bottom again would be the same as taking that 20% cut.

It's easy to say FIND ANOTHER JOB, that's hard enough these days but what if you need to find ANOTHER TWO JOBS just to break even? Both sides need to sit their asses down and work for the benefit of the company instead of seeing whose got the biggest d*ck and screwing everyone in the process.

If there's a middle class left in 4 years it won't be because of level headed people like myself, it will be because militant unions and self serving greedy management can't see the big picture.

There, I vented.



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User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6224 times:

RumorBoy -

AFA doesn't have the right to call a general strike across all AFA represented carriers. It would be a one by one process.

Yes, sympathy strikes are allowed, but again, on a case by case basis. It has more to do with language in most contracts that allow labor groups to honor other labor groups picket lines.

Don't forget, AA pilots staged what turned out to be an illegal strike when they protested the purchase of Reno Air. AA sued the union and won a huge judgement. AA had the compnay over a barrel, I think the damages award was somewhere in the area of $40 million. Do you think the AFA would risk that?


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5003 posts, RR: 21
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

Whoops! I meant to say in the last paragraph "If there ISN'T a middle class left..."

Should chill out before I start typing!  Big grin



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User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13033 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

It is unfortunate that this union is calling for a 'nationwide strike', but I understand their anger and frustration leading to this call.
How many of you would like to go to work one day and be told your salary is being cut 25, 30, 40%, your going to lose your pension, you may be laid-off, your going to have to pay more into your health care insurance, you will be required to work 10 more hours a week without overtime pay and only get 4 hours sleep between work shifts oh, and have you deal with surly customers...and so on. I agree though that the unions here maybe leading their members and some of the airlines on a death march.
I would also note that unlike 25 years ago, being an f/a is a long term career now, not just someplace for a single woman to work at for a few years before getting married. Maybe the airlines want to turn back the clock to the 1960's where all f/a's were female, never with the company long enough to qualify for a pension, when housing and general living costs were a lot lower, the turnover was a lot higher meaning less time at a company so pay could be lower, where they could fire you if you put on 5 extra pounds or became pregent. I don't know of any former f/a's whom are involved with higher management with any USA based airline. I also know that f/a's are required by law and business necessity to have on all flights to serve and if needed to save passangers in a crash or incidnet and 100's of them have died on the job, including over 12 on 9/11. And you wonder why they want to strike....


User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6158 times:


"Don't forget, AA pilots staged what turned out to be an illegal strike when they protested the purchase of Reno Air. AA sued the union and won a huge judgement. AA had the compnay over a barrel, I think the damages award was somewhere in the area of $40 million. Do you think the AFA would risk that?"

That was considered a illegal sick out. Not a strike. The money owed in that case was given back during the last concession package by the pilots. It almost bankrupt the union(APA).


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

A nationwide strike is just plain stupidity...whoever came up with that idea should have his/her ass kicked real good. As mentioned in a previous post, airlines such as CO has not done anything to warrant a strike. I think if it happens then let it happen at the specific airlines (UA, US, etc.). These people need to realize that if their wages are not cut, then they will not have wages at all because the airline will go under. I feel sorry for the innocent children of these workers who are going to feel the brunt of any action.


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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4336 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6117 times:

"CO hasn't asked for any wage givebacks from any of its employees, so why should CO F/A's go on strike? Nothing bad has been done to them."

CO's Flight Attendants won't be negatively affected by AFA's stupidity - they're represented by the IAM.  Smile

In fact, should AFA do a nationwide strike, CO will be HIRING new Flight Attendants... Big grin

[Edited 2004-11-16 21:20:02]

[Edited 2004-11-16 21:20:27]


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User currently offlineGnomon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

...Yet another example of the emotionality and dogmatic impulsiveness with which airline unions run their affairs.

The AFA has taken its latest shenanigans right out of Chapter 4 of "Most Original Routes to the Unemployment Line," a volume consulted by many a labor union over the years.

Good job, ladies and gents. Keep it up.

At least you're increasing the demand for lawyers at the nation's airlines, if nothing else.


User currently offlineQqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6044 times:

It surprises me that so many on here, who obviously don't work in the airline industry, have such a strong opinion. I am neither suggesting the nationwide strike is a good idea or bad, but unless you're in the industry and a union member, I really don't think you're qualified to comment.

I also find it interesting how unions are under constant attack on this forum. People, if you're really interested in the airline industry, you're going to have to accept the fact that unions are a large part of it. Very few airline employees are not represented. As Miamiair said above, we need to focus more attention on the management of the airlines, their grossly inflated salaries and benefits and their golden parachutes for when they leave or fold the company.

It floors me that the majority of the A.nutters are pro company and not pro-employee, especially since you'll find very few management members on this forum. But then again, we all like to be armchair CEOs.



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25 TOLtommy : QQ - Unions may be a large part, but what purpose do they serve today? Interestingly, the most unionized carrier in the country is Southwest, which is
26 Clipperaurora : Boeing757/767 hit the nail on the head.....GO FIND ANOTHER JOB Why hurt the whole company and those that value their job, these freakin people are idi
27 BlatantEcho : I'm not pro union by any stretch, but I'm all for this. It'll kill off at least a few airlines, and the industry can consolidate and "start over" The
28 Qqflyboy : TOLtommy... you've made a good point. Let's look at Southwest. Before I start, let me say this: I am not bashing AA, I don't dislike my job and no I a
29 Blueairbureau : This is a real tough choice. Support the union and possibly cripple my airline or continue working at my profitable airline. Although I understand my
30 AirT85 : Please forgive me of my arrogance if I show any. I am only 19 years old and was barely old enough to comprehend Eastern Airlines shutting-down and nev
31 ASTROJET707 : Back in 200 I was caught in the bullshit at UA as the pilots were flying by the rules of their contract to the letter of the law. I had flights cancel
32 STLGph : Tony -- I believe everyone shares your sentiments. But some people just truly -are- stupid and only think about problems with problems, not solutions.
33 Chgoflyer : Move over John Lewis! Stand forward Patrica Friend who in my opinoin sounds like a real AFL-CIO commie. I hope they all strike so that they can be rep
34 Frontiers4ever : If they strike they might as well start looking for a new job. They will fold and fold faster then a poker play with horrible cards. -Frontiers4ever
35 FriendlySkies : Wait. Doesn't the bankruptcy court have to approve a strike for airlines in Chap. 11? I don't think a judge overseeing UA, HA, or TZ would approve the
36 Baw716 : Patricia Friend needs a reality check. What she doesn't get is the fact that there are NO alternatives but to cut costs in this current environment. I
37 JEFFLAS : I am all for this. The De-Regulation of the airline industry has been a total DISASTER.
38 Gnomon : With respect to the poster above who wrote of his irritation that A.net users are "pro-company" and "pro-management:" No one here is necessarily "pro-
39 Flyabunch : Unfortunately airline management does not have an exclusive on stupidity. Both airline management and union management need to get over this crap if t
40 Ual777contrail : It is time to break the unions. F/A's will not break UAL, they aren't that smart to do so. They will find their lives in the air were better than work
41 Post contains links and images FriendlySkies : It's approved... http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/041116/flight_attendants_strike_10.html
42 Post contains images NWADC9 : NOW HIRING!!! Northwest Continental Southwest I-air jetBlue any other airline that doesn't have this FA union
43 Boo25 : Alot of you are very anti-union and anti F/A's it seems .... Perhaps if you did the job you might understand more... I certainly don't condone their i
44 Lufthansa : Boo25 You can't compare Pilots to FA's. Pilots have to go through hell to even get there, spend a hundred thousand dollars getting there and then wor
45 FriendlySkies : If the airline can't make money, how can they give their employees a decent salary? Instead of striking, maybe the unions should actually WORK WITH TH
46 Boo25 : Yeah, but you want to see the cars in our crew carpark - the pilots ones are unreal, so obviously it pays in the medium to long run. All i am saying i
47 Airtran737 : I dont think that you will see all AFA flight attendants walk the line. If they do the we here at FL are screwed, along with UA, NW, YX, US, HA, ZW, A
48 FriendlySkies : Pilots have the lives of sometimes over 450 souls in their hands. That takes a lot of responsibility, and if you want professionals, you must pay them
49 Gnomon : AirTran737 -- The list of potentially affected carriers is long enough to strike fear in the hearts of all God-fearing fliers. But I believe NW's flig
50 Aacun : Boo, Thanks my friend. It seems that the only ones that understand crew members are crew members! My airline is not included on this list, but might a
51 N801NW : Gnomon: Correct, NW's F/A's removed the Teamsters last year and formed their own, independent union, the PFAA.
52 FriendlySkies : I think we need to sit and think. Everytime I see a negative comment towards F/A´s I can do nothing but wonder what was going on that day to that per
53 Aacun : FriendlySkies, You need to chill dude. And if Im asked for a paycut, something that hasnt happenned yet, but if it happens, I need to sit down, put th
54 ANCFlyer : With the lousy attitudes and crappy service on US these days, I'm not sure anyone will miss them! The first thing most pepole will say is "Well, geez,
55 Aacun : ANCFlyer, Generalizing is not good. As a F/A having received the highest passenger service award available at my company, I realize that attitude is n
56 Lufthansa : Well said FriendlySkies!!!! Well said. You FA's have to realise that there is only one way this could possibly be effective. that is, to have 100% of
57 ANCFlyer : AACUN: I sincerely appreciate your position. I think a passenger that doesn't use "please" and "Thank-you" ought to have a lesson in manners. I have e
58 Chgoflyer : Friendly Skies... when you speak of how pilots have sometimes 450 souls in their hands dont forget to add how the United Pilots Union negotioated to h
59 RyanAFAMSP : It amazes me how committed so many people are on this forum to ensuring that so many people in the U.S. work for so much less money. The most appallin
60 TonyBurr : So who could say that the Unions are "member" friendly? Unions are a big part of the workforce problem as illustrated by this announcements. Will the
61 RyanAFAMSP : Just a clarification- Every single union leader at the airlines in question is a flight attendant for that airline. AFA is a rank and file union. That
62 RogerThat : The obvious thing they're doing is building a concrete strategy to defend their jobs. That should read: destroy their jobs. Airlines produce a commodi
63 Lufthansa : RyanAFAMSP We called them stupid, because we'd all like there to still be a United Airlines Inc. this time next year. Think about it. Lets say you all
64 TonyBurr : They actually pay these unions leaders who make such good business plan statements ? WOW!
65 Chgoflyer : RodgerAFSMSP: interesting response. But remember we in this post are not all young people looking for jobs in aviation. Many such as myself are busine
66 RyanAFAMSP : Lufthansa, We get that you still wants there to be a United Airlines. Believe me no one wants that more than the people who actually work there. But U
67 Chgoflyer : The only non-union airlines of size are Skywest, Frontier, jetBlue, and of course mama Delta. Funny.. I've changed from United to Delta and the folks
68 ANCFlyer : Chgoflyer - You Said . . . "There's nothing worse as a business traveler than sitting during those often delays listening to how some grandmother f/a
69 Sfo777 : Ryan - there may be 200,000 families of flight attendants, but they are tens to hundreds of millions who will be affected if you shut down UAL for goo
70 Chgoflyer : Your right ANC... driving is not as bad as once thought. I took my travel budget and leased a nice car and im on the road. Just around the mid west. I
71 TonyBurr : RyanAFAMSP you are correct when you say that F/A of 2004 are not the same as 1963, but we will NOT go there!!!! Strike if you want, but don't be shock
72 Ual777contrail : Sad part is I haven't heard anything about Tilton and his boys taking pay cuts. Now I am NOT for the F/A's, for their duties since air travel began ha
73 ANCFlyer : And driving's often quicker too - what with the delays - expecially at ORD - and the TSA joke. When I lived in DC and had business in NYC or PHL I nev
74 Lufthansa : Well RyanAFAMSP These airlines are enough. Think about it. A quick call to Condor, Mytravel (who could well do with some cash paying business) Air Atl
75 Ual777contrail : RYANAFA, Please enlighten me, how are you going to be working unsafe, unhealthy, undignified conditions? Explain this to me. Here is something I reall
76 Wingspan : ENOUGH. I am T I R E D of reading posts by individuals who have no idea whatsoever of what working in the airline industry entails. Most everyone here
77 Maersk737 : Thanks Wingspan.... Cheers Peter
78 Post contains images Nwfltattendant : Glad NWA F/A arent represented by AFA. .. this crap is crazy..
79 Bicoastal : Ual777contrail....to answer your question all managers and executives at UAL will take the same pay and benefits cut that is being PROPOSED for the la
80 Lufthansa : Wingspan You've forgotten one thing. We are the customer. And ultimately, it is us who get to decide who wins, and who looses. You see, what you all k
81 Jumpseat70 : JetBlue's time is coming. Trust me it is coming. Everyone has to pay the piper.
82 N1120a : >Is there a legal way to get rid of these Unions?< No, and there should not be. >Glad NWA F/A arent represented by AFA. .. this crap is crazy..
83 Braniff727 : This kills me. I'm not anti-union, but I am anti-stupid union. Unions are a business. They collect their dues from their members and the people that r
84 WesternA318 : Hello all, time for my venom-filled posting on this god-awful topic. First of all, No Airline, No jobs, simple as that. The flying public controls you
85 WesternA318 : Again, my apologies if I offended any user on this forum...
86 Markdirk : To NWADC9, Please get your facts straight, NWA is not hiring flight attendants, nor is Continental, Independance air may or may not be because they ha
87 Milesrich : The reason Unions are always under attack here, is that this board is a haven for spoiled twenty something kids and teenagers who were born with silve
88 Willbdsp : I have two questions: 1) What date is the earliest that F/A's can strike? 2) What happens to those of us who are holding tickets and are affected by t
89 RyanAFAMSP : I love the brainiac that, in order to combat the potential AFA strike, is now engaging in a boycott of the AFA carriers! Way to go! That sure will smo
90 JeffLAS : So when is "the day" supposed to be? Or is this just more hot air? Geez.
91 Wingspan : Let’s see, where do I start… You've forgotten one thing. We are the customer. And ultimately, it is us who get to decide who wins, and who looses.
92 AAgent : Enough posturing. If the A.F.A. Union really wants to strike, then by all means DO IT ALREADY! Just make sure that you're prepared for the consequence
93 Wingspan : It's just that I have this affliction...I love this crazy airline business and I'm willing to make the sacrifices necessary to keep those proud birds
94 William : Good replies Milesrich and Wingspan. Frequentflyer or not,we do not know what it is like work behind the scenes.
95 Lufthansa : Wingman a few things. Firstly, Unless you are from Scandinavia, you're foreign on this board. This site is Swedish! Concerning your comments about jet
96 Baw716 : OK everyone....let's take a deep breath. First, this strike is not going to happen. The millisecond anyone starts to do anything akin to a strike acti
97 Wingspan : Firstly, Unless you are from Scandinavia, you're a foreign on this board. This site is Swedish! The gods honest truth is that I'm a American of Scanda
98 Post contains links and images RogerThat : ...do you think you can shuffle the deck lickety split every two to five years with top notch folks in all workgroups (pilots excluded)? Yes I do, bec
99 Ual777contrail : Roger that, Don't be that naive, Pilots, and yes, Mechanics can be replaced. Because if their unions they are not. To compare F/A's to the other two w
100 RogerThat : Contrails, Your sentence structure offers an excellent opportunity for improvement. I really can't figure out what you are saying, other than I am nai
101 Sleepyflyboy : Wingspan.... You have just completely restored my faith in these forums. Its fun and all to watch the people who have no clue what's going on in the i
102 Ual777contrail : Well sleepyflyboy, let me explain what I was saying before. Pilots are the hard ones to get rid of, and I am not talking because of training, or any o
103 Post contains images MxCtrlr : I can understand the frustration being felt by the union members (and, as the union members lose money, so does the union itself) but losing 20%, whil
104 WesternA318 : MXctrlr, I completely agree with you 1000%. Unions are big businesses themselves now.
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