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AF: CDG-Detroit Opening Soon...  
User currently offlineRaivavae From France, joined Jul 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

...said today Mr Spinetta in New York.

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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6296 times:

can we have any details? When you say soon, do you mean during the reign of the current british monarch or what!

User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

It is in this article:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/041116/nytu015_1.html

Air France-KLM Chairman and CEO Jean-Cyril Spinetta Named '2004 Person Of The Year'
Tuesday November 16, 8:00 am ET
Awarded by The French-American Chamber Of Commerce


NEW YORK, Nov. 16 /PRNewswire/ -- The French American Chamber of Commerce has named Jean-Cyril Spinetta, Chairman and CEO of Air France-KLM, as its 2004 Person of the Year for his exemplary contributions to French-American business relations.
The Award

The Award was presented to Mr. Spinetta on November 15, 2004 at a ceremony in New York City. The Person of the Year Award was created in 1984 to honor executives and their companies that have contributed to the development of strong trade relations between France and the United States. Mr. Spinetta is the 21st honoree of this award.

"The North Atlantic corridor has been, and continues to be, the virtual backbone of the Air France global network," said Mr. Spinetta, accepting the award. "This ongoing commitment reflects the long history of our presence in the U.S. marketplace."

In addition, Mr. Spinetta discussed plans to expand the airline's presence in the U.S. by increasing capacity with additional flights from New York, a third daily flight from Washington and, in the very near future, by opening new gateways including Detroit.

"We are honored to recognize Jean-Cyril Spinetta for his unrelenting vision and determination that ensured the growth of Air France-KLM into one of the leading global airlines amidst challenging times in the airline industry," said Serge Bellanger, president, French American Chamber of Commerce. "Mr. Spinetta has demonstrated his commitment to furthering French-American commercial development by expanding the airline's reach in the U.S. and building strategic partnerships through the SkyTeam alliance."

Building Ties between The U.S. and Europe

Under Mr. Spinetta's direction, Air France has established its position as a global leader in the airline industry. He was recently responsible for bringing Air France into the merger that created the number one airline group in terms of revenue, Air France-KLM. Additionally, Mr. Spinetta was one of the principle architects of the SkyTeam global airline alliance. With three U.S. carriers, Delta Air Lines, Continental and Northwest, SkyTeam is now one of the world's leading and fasting growing alliances.

Currently Chairman of the International Air Transport Association's (IATA) Board of Governors for the period 2004 - 2005, Mr. Spinetta also served as Chairman of the Association of European Airlines in 2001.

About Air France-KLM

Air France-KLM is the world's leading airline group in terms of turnover, and the European leader in terms of passengers carried. With service to more than 101 long haul destinations, the Air France-KLM group transports more than 66 million passengers annually. Together with its partners in the SkyTeam global airline alliance, Air France-KLM offers its passengers access to 14,320 daily departures to 658 destinations in more than 130 countries. For more information, visit http://www.airfrance.com/us or http://www.klm.com.




User currently offlineRaivavae From France, joined Jul 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

... he said very near future! as you can read in the article, it's up to you to guess when. I would bet on the next summer season.

User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6211 times:

I would say next summer as well

User currently offlineOrd777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 258 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6114 times:

Rumors around my office suggest that thier looking to start in the Spring.

User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6062 times:

Does NW operate a DTW-CDG? And would Air France operate a CLE-CDG maybe once a week in the summer with a 767?


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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7428 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

Note also a 3rd DAILY CDG-IAD-CDG :

CDG-IAD :

AF028 10:20 - 12:45 - B772
AF024 13:30 - 16:10 - A343
AF026 16:40 - 19:05 - B772

IAD-CDG :

AF039 17:10 - 06:30 - B772
AF025 18:50 - 08:20 - A343
AF027 22:15 - 11:35 - B772

...and a 6th Daily CDG-JFK-CDG


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 791 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5997 times:

Okay I have to bite on this one...he mentioned "gateways" in the US/North America that AF is looking at opening. Okay, DTW will be one but are there others that AF might open? SEA, DEN, or maybe (PLEASE PLEASE) they'll open back up their operations to DFW. With Delta as good as gone maybe that won't work but what about SEA? New Orleans? Other than that I can't see any other gateways that could support an A343, which is what they'll probably use on any new transatlantic routes.


User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

I would imagine that they would give serious consideration to MSP. I think that Seattle is a decent possibility. NW operates to AMS, but I have heard that BA's loads are quite good on that route, so perhaps there is enough for Paris as well. Since Horizon feeds NW, I assume that it would feed them as well. Anyone know what the level of travel between Arizona and France is? That airport is growing considerably. Anyone know how LH and BA are doing? Actually, does BA still fly there?

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

Does NW operate a DTW-CDG?

Yes.

And would Air France operate a CLE-CDG maybe once a week in the summer with a 767?

Since AF doesn't fly 767's, I'm guessing that would be a no.



N670UW


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

What are the timings for the new JFK flight?


727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
User currently offlineNwaclc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Dont be suprised if you see NW start MSP-CDG this summer. Yes with a DC10.

NWACLC


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11154 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5760 times:

Arabs are going to flood this Detroit flight because of AF's excellent connections to the Middle East.

Especially Lebanese and Palestinians...

They can connect on one of the three flights (two operated by MEA, one operated by Air France) to Beirut.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

If they introduced MSP-CDG, it, in fact, would surprise me greatly if they did so with a DC-10. That just doesn't make any sense to me, I guess.

-Mike



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5748 times:

This is a long overdue route for AF- it's shame it took NW joining Skyteam for them to start flying it.

User currently offlineNwaclc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5673 times:

Mikey, why would you say it makes no sense to start service from MSP-CDG ???

seems logical to me.


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

How can they fly 3times to IAD? AF has no feed in IAD and LH which has feed on both sides only flies 2times from FRA.

AF is becoming an impressive threat to LH and BA!


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5538 times:

What doesn't make sense, NWACLC, is that they'd start it with one of their older birds instead of one of their fancy new ones that would arguably compete better in a new market. I think it makes perfect sense for the route itself--and as a local Twin Citian, I'm really pulling for it--but if you are going to compete for some new business, why throw your oldest wares at it? That's the part that doesn't make sense about what you claimed.

Sorry for the confusion,
Mike



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineVS346 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 339 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

ummm. am I missing the joke here, or does everyone here still think AF still has DC-10s in their fleet?

if AF were to start MSP-CDG or DTW-CDG they would most likely have 333s or 343s on the route.

VS346



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4517 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

I guess this move makes it highly unlikely that we'll ever see them returning to CVG, and definitely not to DFW, for that matter. This Alliance building has opened up a couple of new gateways in the US, and the secondary hubs are likely to be the prime victims of this move. CVG, MEM and CLE are all finding themselves in the same situation, although CVG seems to be in the best position to maintain at least some transatlantic flights.



User currently offlineJeffLAS From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Maybe they can fly FNT-CDG instead!



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User currently offlineUSflt1778 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 269 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5168 times:

Concerning CVG, you just might see it resurrect - yet again - as a summer only service. This is the rumour I am hearing but we'll just have to wait and see...

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

ummm. am I missing the joke here, or does everyone here still think AF still has DC-10s in their fleet?

No, VS346, but NWACLC implied that NW would start the route with the DC-10's that they have, not that AF would start the route with the DC-10's that they surely don't have. Frankly, I'm with you...I really would think that AF would start the MSP-CDG route, but I don't have the financial proof nor the fleet availability info at my fingertips to back up that claim. Call it a hunch, I guess.

-Mike



I plan on living forever. So far, so good...
User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

You know, with Skyteam, I would have hoped that we'd see AF serve places other than major Skyteam hubs that already serve a given route.

SEA, DFW, MSP would be examples of places that don't already have CDG service and would expand Skyteam options.

Steve


25 FLYSSC : Flyguy1, Here is the schedule, for the moment, of the flights to/from NYC next summer : CDG---> NYC Daily AF022 CDG.08:25 - JFK.10:15 - B772ER Daily A
26 Bobnwa : Mikey711MN, If MSP can support three NW DC-10's a day MSP-AMS it can certainly support a MSP-CDG DC-10.
27 Post contains images PlaneGuy27 : JoFMO, Don't forget LH also places it codes on 2 UA flights from IAD to FRA as well. So that is 4 total IAD-FRA flights a day on Star Alliance carrier
28 Supa7E7 : Bob, why would you say that? MSP-AMS is the only European route out of MSP except the Icelandair service. Also, tons of people connect in MSP on their
29 N670UW : MSP-AMS is the only European route out of MSP except the Icelandair service. No, NW also flies MSP-LGW. Just because locals in MSP would get a non-sto
30 BestWestern : SLC CDG would have no other Trans Atlantic competition and have the benefit of a Skyteam hub at both ends! Makes more sense than PDX.
31 Bobnwa : Supa7E7, "Tons of people connect in MSP on their way to AMS" Wouldn't tons of people be likely to connect in MSP on the way to CDG? If DTW is able to
32 Mikey711MN : Bob, I have always thought that MSP even had enough O&D to support more European service than they have now, the connecting opportunities to the west
33 Dtwclipper : Any chance that it will take place by Feb. I am doing DTW-ORD-CDG-MUC and would love to drop the DTW-ORD segment! It's a Worldperks Award and I wanted
34 VS346 : Thanks FLYSSC for the JFK timetable. I have GOT to get on that 773ER while it's still flying to the US! Cheers! VS346
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