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US Airways To Begin PHL-BCN, PHL-VCE  
User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9622 times:

It hasn't been announced yet, but it's been loaded into the schedules.

US Airways will begin nonstop service between Philadelphia (PHL) and Barcelona, Spain (BCN) effective May 16.

US Airways will also start service between Philadelphia and Venice, Italy (VCE) effective May 9.

Both new flights will use Boeing 767-200ER aircraft. BCN and VCE will become US Airways' 12th and 13th European destinations served from PHL.

US 0948 PHL BCN 1945 0935+1 767
US 0949 BCN PHL 1235 1530 767

US 0022 PHL VCE 1755 0820+1 767
US 0023 VCE PHL 1225 1610 767



N670UW

[Edited 2004-11-17 04:32:25]

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User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1038 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9503 times:

Those are great destinations. Do any other airlines serve those two destinations non stop from the US? It indicates that US feels it will be around in May if they are investing the money in start up.

User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9487 times:

Delta serves both from New York-JFK (and Barcelona seasonally from Atlanta). US Airways will be the only other U.S. carrier at both airports.



N670UW


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

I dont think they will ever go through with this service.  Big grin


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User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9464 times:

yea...BUT...

will USAirways even be around to fly those routes???

(burnsie28...you beat me by 25 sec)

[Edited 2004-11-17 04:45:51]

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9449 times:

Apparently US' 767's can't be going too far, if they are adding two routes...


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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1606 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9430 times:

Apparently US' 767's can't be going too far, if they are adding two routes...

Yes, but even with these two new routes, US will only be utilizing seven of its ten 767's (DUB, SNN, GLA, BCN, AMS, MUC, VCE) on Atlantic crossings, meaning there are still aircraft in question.



N670UW


User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9416 times:

Yes, but even with these two new routes, US will only be utilizing seven of its ten 767's (DUB, SNN, GLA, BCN, AMS, MUC, VCE) on Atlantic crossings, meaning there are still aircraft in question.

Keep in mind that the extra sections for CDG and LGW always take a while to show up in the schedules.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9334 times:

Apparently US' 767's can't be going too far, if they are adding two routes...

They won't begin receiving A330-200s until 2007, so it was always safe to assume they'd be around until then.

Will these routes be served daily?

N


User currently offlineWagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9333 times:
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Extra sections to LGW and CDG are indeed 762s, but also the regular flights as well! 1X A333 becomes 2X 762 for both destinations I beleive. That would make 4 more in addition to the 7 listed above, which obviosuly wouldn't work since there are only 10.

Or is LGW/CDG going to be an A333 and 762 next summer instead? I'm still amazed they're finding all these available 762s laying around. Either way they're operating at or near capacity in regards to widebodies. If one 762 should go technical is there going to be a backup available?

Also, 1 A333 runs MAD in the summer, so if CDG and LGW keep their A333s for the summer, they'll be running thin as well.



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User currently offlineSkyteam2000 From Spain, joined Apr 2004, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9310 times:

FANTASTIC...

Very good news for BCN and VCE...

Are they going to be daily...?

I am sure it is for Cruises...Thats Good very good....


User currently offlineCaboclo From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 203 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9292 times:

Is it just me, or is US starting to look better than UA? UA keeps on begging for concessions from labor, but hasn't done much of anything else, and is still in ch11. At least US is trying some new routes, increasing utilization, etc. Correct me if I'm wrong.


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

When PHL-LGW ran at 2x in the past, it was 1x 333 + 1x 762. That's presumably what it would be if it should run at 2x daily this year.

PHL-CDG was 2x 762 last year, but it has been 1x 333 + 1x 762 before. PIT-FRA/LGW freed up two planes, a 333 and a 762. It appears that they will place the extra 333 on the CDG route, allowing them to serve both MAD and CDG with the 333 in summer.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9253 times:

Caboclo-US Airways' problem isn't that they are operationally struggling (in fact, in their last quarter that they were outside of bankruptcy, Q2, they turned a net profit, albeit a small one), the problem is that they have an immediate cash crisis. The fact remains that, if US Airways didn't have the ATSB loan covenants to put up with, or they had another billion in cash, they could easily weather this storm without an issue, but of course, neither is the case, and as a result, surviving is almost a day-to-day issue...the good news is, oil prices seem to be on the decline of late (slightly, not much, but enough that I could fill up my tank yesterday at under two dollars a gallon, which, in this day and age, is a good sign), and if that trend continues, US Airways and the other airlines could manage to survive.


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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9214 times:

Thus IS good news, although I am a little dubious regarding VCE. Is there a big enough market for that route, or are they only doing it for summer? Either way, good on USAir!

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9183 times:

At least VCE will only be seasonal. In winter its too often 'aqua alta'.

What are there summer only routes to Europe?

PHL-SNN
PHL-DUB
PHL-GLA
PHL-VCE?!
PHL-BCN?

something else?


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9128 times:

Wow...this came out of left field, never imagined it , but good to hear...

Greg



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3098 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8972 times:

I know they're in dire financial straits, but is US EVER going to revamp the 767 interiors to post-millenium standards??


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26709 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8947 times:

>They won't begin receiving A330-200s until 2007<

If they are around then. I hope they are, because they have great service on the A333 with great PTVs, a great selection of movies, and decent food. Then again, their A321s and 757s are much more comfortable in Y

>Or is LGW/CDG going to be an A333 and 762 next summer instead? I'm still amazed they're finding all these available 762s laying around. Either way they're operating at or near capacity in regards to widebodies. If one 762 should go technical is there going to be a backup available?

Also, 1 A333 runs MAD in the summer, so if CDG and LGW keep their A333s for the summer, they'll be running thin as well.<

They actually pissed me off with an A333 gone techincal at PHL. They needed to repair/replace the nose, so our flight was delayed 1 hour, then 2, then finally 3 hours. That sucked. What pissed me off so badly is that even the US CSA admited they had a spare A333 on the ground there, but for some reason were not towing it out. Even she was mad.

Oh, for the person who talked about reporting a profit, they only timed they have returned a profit in a long time was when they recieved their exit financing to come out of bankruptcy. When the Alabama Pension Fund gave them their exit financing, US was able to report a profit based on the massive cash infusion. They have been reporting massive losses lately.



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User currently offline762er From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 542 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

"When the Alabama Pension Fund gave them their exit financing, US was able to report a profit based on the massive cash infusion. They have been reporting massive losses lately." That's simply incorrect. We had positive cash flow after receiving the investment, but did not report an operating profit. We did, however, report an operating profit in the 3rd quarter.

User currently offlineAirdolomiti From Germany, joined May 2003, 694 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8798 times:

At least VCE will only be seasonal. In winter its too often 'aqua alta'.

 Insane


Great news!

I'm sure they will do quite well on both routes. The business traffic in VCE should not be underestimated (this is after all one of the richest areas in Europe), DL's flights to JFK are always packed in J and carry a lot of cargo.

Of course I'm already hoping that PHL-VCE will do so well that it becomes a year-round service Big grin

Can't wait to see their 762s here!

Federico




User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8300 times:

Here is the press release:

http://www.usairways.com/about/press/nw_04_1117a.htm

ARLINGTON, Va., Nov. 17, 2004 -- US Airways announced today that it will begin nonstop daily seasonal service to two new European destinations next summer, bringing customers convenient access to the art and magic of the Venetian canals and the unique architecture and Catalan culture of Barcelona. Additionally, US Airways will again offer seasonal service to Dublin, Glasgow and Shannon next summer, bringing the airline’s European network to thirteen nonstop destinations.


User currently offlineNWA330TONY From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8262 times:

Excellent routes for them. Great destinations unfortunately IM sure it will be to little too late, as its almost certain one of the unions will have dragged them down by then. Cant say that I blame them just at this point it seems inevitable. Just my $.02

User currently offlineCha747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 788 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8233 times:

Service to Venice begins May 9. Isn't that the same day that service started this year by WN? Are they going to have a big bash with the Mayors of Venice and Philadelphia at the airport or something to upstage a celebration that WN might have?


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User currently offlineMonkeyboi From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 457 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8212 times:

I think it is absolutely incredible that an airline can be bankrupt and almost pennyless going to the courts to cancel labour contracts and enforce new conditions....and yet start up new trans-atlantic services! A new route VERY rarely makes profit for the first year or two as it takes time to gain the corporate contracts that fill the premium seats. What a risk to take....

25 N670UW : I'm surprised these two destinations were chosen over others, including Brussels (returning), Zurich, Milan, or even a third German city. Though, I wo
26 Sydscott : "UA keeps on begging for concessions from labor, but hasn't done much of anything else, and is still in ch11." Caboclo - United has added/announed the
27 Post contains images BCNGRO : Good News for BCN! I am sure US Airways will get what they expect from these cities and I hope it helps them to recover from their crisis. Skyteam2000
28 Skyteam2000 : BCNGRO. Wait and see...BCN is going to grow this year with new destinations.
29 Post contains links and images Matt777 : US762 to VCE is a GREAT Surprise!! "At least VCE will only be seasonal. In winter its too often 'aqua alta'." With the MO.SE mobile dam system (expect
30 JoFMO : Matt777, good to know. Then I have to hurry. I ever wanted to see Venice flooded. It gives you a little extra thrill.
31 Iberia340600 : I agree with Burnsie28....I'll believe it when I see it. Remember that AA had announced non-stop to BCN and NW had announced service to Spain from DTT
32 ContinentalEWR : These new routes are probably attributable to the axing of daily nonstop flights from Pittsburgh to Frankfurt and the seasonal PIT-LGW flight. This ha
33 Padcrasher : You know, VCE is a marginal route for Delta. And they have the NYC market and their partnership with Alitalia to support the flight. This is about a c
34 Supa7E7 : US probably chose to go where the most profitable flying is. They are pretty well equipped with information from their existing Europe network.
35 Padcrasher : I'm familiar with the market. VCE is the weakest of Delta's Transatlantic flights in terms of business travel. The Bus Elite section is 90% filled wit
36 UA744KSFO : It makes sense that they would add VCE and BCN. These are two huge tourist destinations, and US is trying to revamp themselves as an LCC, therefore ai
37 Billy : I came to this discussion late, but I know that VCE offered a huge sum of cash to US to operate the route. DL gets a similar bung to keep the route al
38 Post contains links A330323X : I didn't want to start a new thread, so I figured this was the best place to put it. I noticed a *very* interesting filing with the DOT. http://dmses.
39 JoFMO : But why should they finish it's existing LH codeshare when they want to start it's own flight? Usually when two airlines from an alliance fly the same
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