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Aviation 100 Years From Now...  
User currently offlineFlyboy1980 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 253 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3672 times:

What does everyone think aviation / airlines / airliners will be like 100 years from now?

Serious or not, what is your opinion?

Will we have invented teleportation, making aircraft obsolete?

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User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

- Scramjets - LHR-SYD in under 2 hours if you want to go fast, and for very fast (and very expensive) cargo
- Blended Wing Bodies if you want to go cheaply, and for fast cargo
- Transport blimps will somewhat replace cargo ships and heavier than air airfreight



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7303 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

You mean like donkeys are in regular use for transportation today?


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineAirgeek12 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

Yea I agree with BestWestern...

Don't we already have/HAD those we just don't like them!?

- Scramjets - a.k.a. CONCORDE- we apparently hated it so we got rid of it
- Blended Wing Bodies- How obvious.
- Transport blimps- we have those- we didn't like using them for cargo- so we put some cameras and news reporters in there and decided that went much better.


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Scramjets - a.k.a. CONCORDE- we apparently hated it so we got rid of it

- Concorde was NOT a scramjet. It was a turbojet powered aircraft. There is a huge difference. Also it didn't go suborbital. It flew higher and faster but was otherwise rather close to subsonics in many ways.

- BWB - Well it is a rather efficient way of building an aircraft, at least in theory. It's just that we are pretty far down the tube with wings path, so it may take a while to find another way.

- Transport blimps. You laugh but there are several development projects now. First to make it viable wins. No runways, so ideal for outsize cargoes directly to the destination or close to it, not to the airport.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Re: "and heavier than air airfreight"

I think you'll find most freight is heavier than air  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I think airships will take a bigger role as speed becomes the "premium" product and you pay less if you travel slower. They have abilities that normal aircraft don't have, like not actually needing airports. I think a cruise-airship a la Hindenberg (but without the hydrogen) would make a fortune.


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Re: "and heavier than air airfreight"

I think you'll find most freight is heavier than air


LOL Yes Big grin Ok most of you probably understood, but for the select few who didn't I meant "airfreight transported on heavier than air aircraft"  Big grin...



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6532 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

There have been announcements of new transport blimps yearly for the past 20 years. Somehow not one of them shows up in commercial service. I expect this to continue for another 20 years.

These rank right there with the personal aircraft in everyones garage.


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

There have been announcements of new transport blimps yearly for the past 20 years. Somehow not one of them shows up in commercial service. I expect this to continue for another 20 years.

These rank right there with the personal aircraft in everyones garage.


I agree that progress has been less than speedy, but it's all about how much pain customers are in with current methods. If oil prices rise more, or someone wants to develop lots of oilfields in Siberia fast, or something like that, demand will increase and so will investment.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3546 times:

We´ll be flying in anphibious aircraft since the polar cap´s are melting, and places like new caledonia will be gone.

or teletransporters, so, no more planes....

what a joke this post.



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

The world's oil supply will have run out. Look for alternatively powered aircraft.


buhh bye
User currently offlineSmithAir747 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1640 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

In 100 years, technology will have advanced so far that there will be no need for traditional aircraft or other such means for long-distance travel. Let me explain my hypothesis (based on my observations of how technology has been accelerating at an exponential pace):

At the exponential rate technology has been developing in the last 50 years, look for a breakthrough in 100 years for some form of teleportation. It could be either "matter-energy conversion" type, or it could be some form of interdimensional travel. In fact, I read in a recent science news article that scientists were able to teleport a single atom from one location to another instantaneously (I can't remember right now the citation). However, to be able to "beam" a larger object (eg. a person) from one place to another (ergo Star Trek) it would require an almost infinite amount of energy (and infinite computer memory) to transport all those zillions of atoms by matter-energy conversion.

A more feasible method would be to "warp" space-time so that a person, stepping into a specially designed portal, would reappear at another portal at his destination half a world away. Providing scientists would discover how to warp space-time, it would be a much more efficient way of transporting someone somewhere. These interdimensional portals would be placed in every major city worldwide, forming an efficient global network of interdimensional gateways. This would be much more feasible, and energy-efficient, than Star Trek-style "beaming". Who knows what fare structure would exist by then? Look for such technology to totally replace airline travel (and airports) in 100 years' time. Also, there may be no computer-based Internet by then (no PCs, either)--who knows, maybe we will have developed T-Mail (Telepathic Mail) and a common global bioneural Internet with our brains being the "computers" receiving and sharing T-mail and websites (like a shared hive consciousness)!

Boeing 747s, A380s, 7E7s, and future Boeing/Airbus planes will all have ended up in museums or in scrap yards long before then! (Will this be the end of planespotting, A.net, and our hobby as we know it?) Hopefully, these lovely artifacts would have been preserved for future generations (and enthusiasts) by then, like steam trains have been preserved for today's enthusiasts.

It does no harm to speculate (based on our exponentially evolving technology)!

SmithAir747



I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made... (Psalm 139:14)
User currently offlineAither From South Korea, joined Oct 2004, 859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3438 times:

About the scramjet :
Information gained from Tuesday's record-setting flight of NASA's Hyper-X research vehicle will be used by Boeing [NYSE: BA] as it designs the future of flight.
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=15521

[Edited 2004-11-17 21:06:39]


Never trust the obvious
User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1232 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3421 times:

100 years from now I can imagine myself being buried under the approach to 33L with an A340 flying over me....

JetBlast @ BWI  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Speedbird Concorde One
User currently offlineFlyboy1980 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3381 times:

Erikwilliam - why is this post a joke? What's wrong with hypothesising whatthe future may be like?

SmithAir747 - I think it was more than a single atom, I heard on a news report they had managed to teleport a laser beam.

I guess for the next 30 - 40 years (within a lot of A.net users lifespans) the big problem will be what to pump into a/c tanks once all the petroleum has been used up.


User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

The problem with teleportation may not be the actual transportation bit. If you think about it the easiest way to do it is not to transport the actual matter, but to deconstitute the matter and reconstitute it somewhere else from spare material.

But then you get into the whole problem of computing power. And how to scan the body (or whatever you want to transport). And how do you rebuild it?

Anyway I think that teleportation, while a nice concept, lies more than 100 years from now.


And for all of you who think this thread is a joke, crawl back to your hollows. It's the dreamers that make our world go forward. Not the people who keep saying "it can't be done!". If everyone said that we would still be arguing about whether we should climb down from the trees.



"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3353 times:

In 100 years time we will fly on Boing 737NNNGs.

The major difference will be new CFM56-9 engines which run on methanol produced from corn. Also the landing gear will be 2 inches higher allowing a round engine intake.

Inside the airplane a major redesign will in 2104 be 90 years old. Seats will have become non-inclineable for the comfort of the passenger behind you.

Also from 95 years earlier we will enjoy a much wider selection of high quality catering which we pull from machines and pay with credit card in the terminal or near the gate.

Also in 100 years the A380 production line will close down after 5,000 planes have been built. 4,000 still serviceable, but 1,000 mostly 60-80 years old A380s are parked in the desert because of tarffic decline due to decrease in world population.

Not one single NW DC-9 thread has been noticed on a.net for fifty years.

And LHR terminal 5 will have opened.  Big thumbs up



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently onlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17173 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Don't forget that tailstrikes will happen all the time to all those stretched A380-950s  Big grin

The 7777 will be powered by one enormous engine sitting on top of the fuse.

Martinair will, once again, renew it's lively.

A.nutters will discuss whether Alitalia, Iberia and American should change their livery, and how much money AA saves from not painting the frigging planes.

Winglets will have been banned from US airspace by President George W Bush VI because "they were obviously invented by the French"

The A349-700 will have really crappy takeoff and climb performance because it has 8 engines and is only certified to climb with no more than one engine out.








"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
User currently offlineDulleswatcher From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3327 times:

A technical subcommittee of the Indian Ministry of Civil Aviation will refer the Airbus A340-300 acquisition decision to a Ministry of Finance subcommittee for further review and deliberation of the fixed costs of restarting the mothballed production line. They will do this in order to avoid at all cost the dreaded prospect of updating the bid documents to seek acquisition of anything remotely modern, since that would waste decades of ponderous consideration by legions of bureaucrats and invalidate any and all prospective illegal kickbacks they may have secured over time.

Jaysit, on his deathbed, will call yet again for the only logical course of action: Air India's privatization.




Sic Semper Tyrannis
User currently offlineAZjetgeek From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

One hundred years from now, Boeing and Airbus will still be competitors. Some version of an SST/Concorde will be in operation. Airbus will find a way to build a jet that holds 800 people, thus reducing the number of flights airlines have to offer.

Southwest Airlines will fly the most up-to-date version of the 737, whatever that might be. They'll also be flying transcon routes within the U.S., but still no international service.

United will be emerging from its 12th trip into Ch 11. BA will own two-thirds of the overseas carriers; KLM will own the other third.

I happen to like this thread. It challenges the imagination.



Long live the RJ!
User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1547 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3306 times:

Topics on this forum 100 years from now:

NW denies DC-9 retirement plan
Will Concorde fly again?
SIA to dispose of A3500's in lieu Boeing 7777's
Who remembers United?
Whats Micheal O'Leary III playing at now?
Air Palestine announce Jerusalem Hub Expansion
Iraqi Airlines get 2nd 732
Why no other US airlines apart from Southwest?
BA waterbed, best business class seat?




L1011 - P F M
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3304 times:

Not only civil aviation will change a lot over the next 100 years, also military aviation.

All B-52Hs will have been re-designated B-52J since they have had all 8 HP turbine disks exchanged with new improved turbines - proving a 2% improved specific fuel consumption and reduced smoke emission. Following an 800 pages long report from the Pentagon B-52 committee stating that re-engining would be too expensive.

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter - canceled in 2024 - will have been re-initiated as replacement for the now worn out Lockheed F-16G and F-16Hs built in the mid 21st century as compensation for the canceled F-35 program.

In Britain the last Canberra PR.9 will have retired years ago. The 2034 report about Nimrod MR.4 replacement will be shelved in 2084. Instead of a the report recommendation to replace the Nimrod MR.4 with a 737NNNG based platform a major rebuilding of the Nimrod MR.4 into MR.5 will be taking place - having run for 20 years - with first flight expected next year.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3274 times:

No No No we have it all wrong the only planes that will be flying are the one's I discussed in the thread: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1723877

Where I clearly stated that we would be flying the most cost effective airliner in history made out of:
toothpicks paper towel rolls peanut butter and super glue

There will be no need for gourmet meals we will have found a un ending supply of food in Soylent Green and FA's will be replaced by Oompa Loompa's

And yes we will still be talking about NW DC-9 because they will all be molded in to one aircraft with duct tape..

Oooh Oooh and that Secret Base under DEN will be found and actually be where all the baggage everyone lost is located

And the world will still be waiting for Boeing to decide what number they want in place of the E in the 7E7

So the world turns  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

As always adding my unique brand of EMS humor

Fly Safe
-Carl



If Your Dying Were Flying
User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1232 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

Boeing will finally come out with the new 747 they've been talking about!

JetBlast @ BWI  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



Speedbird Concorde One
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6539 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

A hundred years from now aviation will have changed a lot. We will hardly be able to imagine all the changes which have taken place.

But who cares? If I live that long, then I will still be stuck here at CPH.

...Because SAS cabin crews are on strike.

After all it is good to know that there are things which never change.

But why not also look 100 years back in time? Following Wilbur Wright's famous flight...
...his baggage could not be located.

Some things never change.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
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