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US Will Overtake DL In MSY Soon...unreal!  
User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

As of Feb., US will offer 16 daily mainline flights out of New Orleans. They recently added a 5th PHL nonstop to their new schedule which will start around 2/8/05. The breakdown will go something like this: 5 to CLT and PHL, 3 to DCA, 2 to LGA, and 1 to PIT.

By that time, Delta will be down to 15 mainline flights (10 to ATL, 3 to CVG, 2 to SLC).

Who would have thought that US Airways would surpass Delta in terms of mainline departures from MSY? Simply unreal.

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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7564 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4340 times:

FOR A LIMITED TIME ONLY- 22 days US will overtake DL. Whoops, we forgot that US right now can only make it till mid-Feb


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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4283 times:

Yeah that's right. If the F/A's strike it will be the final nail in the coffin. Still, US overtaking DL down here is something else...regardless of how long it lasts.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8195 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4258 times:

Why is it surprising? 10 flights to it's hub (ATL) and a couple each to the other focus cities (SLC and CVG) isn't that impressive. I bet there are plenty of cities that aren't hubs that have more flights by Deltaflot (as though that was ever anything to get excited about), and cities that offer more destinations by a certain airline. I bet WN fly more frequently and to more cities than DL, from New Orleans.

PS Did they rename the French Quarter the 'Freedom Quarter' yet?



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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

USAir might take over in number of flights, but I'd bet the number of seats lead will stay with Delta. Don't they fly widebodys to ATL?

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

It is surprising from a purely historical standpoint. Delta has cut back MSY quite a bit over the past 10 years or so. But historically, they have always been the "premier" carrier down here (as they were in all of the South), even though airlines like AA and WN offer more daily flights.

DL will probably see more daily boardings than US because, as Quickmover said, they do offer 767 service MSY-ATL.


User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Also don't forget that MSY-MCO is also operated by DL Connection. Does DL offer MSY-TPA or FLL? DL will still carry more passengers of course, DL tends to carry the highest number of passengers at most US non-hub airports.

Jeremy


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4036 times:

Looking at my Delta December 1979 timetable, I'm stunned by how many flights DL had out of MSY. Besides Atlanta, Memphis, Boston Chicago and maybe Fort Lauderdale it was the largest operation. DL flew nonstop from MSY to San Juan at the time.

User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

Delta doesn't offer MSY-TPA or FLL service currently. They used to fly SLC-MSY-TPA with a B727-200 as late as 2001.

Besides SJU (which eventually saw L1011 service routing LAX-MSY-SJU), they flew nonstop to MBJ and CCS at one point.


User currently offlineEzra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

I keep thinking MSY would be a great destination for Song, if DL expands Song as rumored. There are a lot of cities where Song already operates that could support service to MSY.

User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

I believe this. I could hardly believe my eyes yesterday, early morning, when I saw 3 overnighted US Airbus' while driving my girlfriend back to the WN crew hotel. It actually shocked me. I am betting they need the capacity because of connections to their international flights (as Fred (ConcordeBoy), MSYTristar and I have long said someone is missing out by not flying non-stop here). US often offers decent deals with STA in Europe and they are considered a good choice by Europeans. Considering their love affair with RJs (one of the things killing them) the fact that this is all mainline service says something.


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Quickmover brings up the point that needs to be remembered: while US may overtake DL in the number of flights in and out of MSY, they've got a long ways to go to catch up in the number of pax served here:

Pax stats for 2004 through September:

DL enplaned: 449,543; deplaned: 447,637; TOTAL: 897,180 (ranks 2nd)
US enplaned: 272,797; deplaned: 271,507; TOTAL: 544,304 (ranks 6th)

When regional carriers (Chautauqua, ASA, Comair, USAirways Express) figures are added, the disparity becomes even greater.

But, yes, DL service here is a mere shell of its former self. And, we'll all be watching to see if US keeps the level of service here that it will be attaining.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5209 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

What are the rankings at MSY--I believe it is Southwest, Delta, Continental?


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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6731 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3841 times:

DL will have four mainline flights to CVG not three. So they will actually be tied with 16 mainline flights a piece.

With US's increased focus on point to point flying, I'm not surprised that they have increased flying to MSY. MSY produces a hefty volume of traffic...the only problem tends to be the yields.



User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Rankings for 2004 through September (does not include regionals):
1-Southwest
2-Delta
3-American
4-Continental
5-United
6-USAirways
7-Northwest
8-AirTran
9-JetBlue
10-Frontier
11-America West

Regionals:
1-ASA
2-Air Wisconsin
3-Chautauqua
4-Continental Express
5-Trans States
6-Skywest
and others

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3786 times:

Is DL still planning to run MSY-JFK, with Song?


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User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1389 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

"...if DL expands Song as rumored."

It's not a rumor, it's a fact. Delta announced in September that Song will grow from 36 planes to 48. Whether MSY will be a new Song destination, though, remains to be seen.


User currently offlineAZjetgeek From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 235 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3650 times:

US continues to talk as if they're planning on being alive in Feb. 2005. That's a bit ambitious, but maybe they know something the media is not reporting. Perhaps US has found a secret "sugar daddy" willing to come to their rescue.

IF US is still breathing in February, adding more flights in and out of MSY won't be enough to overtake DL in terms of number of passengers carried. As has been pointed out, DL is a Southern favorite. It does, in fact, have roots in Louisiana. Consumer confidence in US would have to significantly improve for it to surpass DL at MSY.

IMO, the Arizona Cardinals have a better chance of making the NFL playoffs this year than US does of overtaking DL at MSY.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3092 times:

MSY-CVG will remain 4 mainline until March, when one 732 is replaced by one CR7.



User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5231 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2950 times:

If all the Skyteam carriers pax totals are added together, what would the ranking be then?


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2792 times:

If all the Skyteam carriers pax totals are added together, what would the ranking be then?

I usually don't crunch numbers this early in the morning, but since you ask, and since I'm assuming you also want me to include Star Alliance ond OneWorld numbers, the rankings are as such:

1-Sky Team (DL+reg, CO+reg, NW)
2-Southwest (2nd, misses #1 by only 39,000 pax, tells you the muscle they have here)
3-Star (UA+reg, US+reg)
4-OneWorld (AA)
5-Air Tran
6-JetBlue
7-Frontier
8-America West

For those who care, if we don't do it by alliances, but lump the regionals with the mainlines, the ranking is still the same as that I posted in reply #14.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 2712 times:

Of course, didn't WN just get something like 5 more gates? I would think that would easily bring them above all of SkyTeam, unless AF decides to send a 747 Big grin


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User currently offlineSpoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 2632 times:

AZjetgeek, I tend to agree with you. I haven't fully written off US like Burnsie28 and some others seem to have. At the same time, I'm not going to underestimate the immense challenges that face US in the coming months.

Do you think ultimately DL's transformation plan may call for a resurgance at MSY and other places in the south? Would they be more successful operating more frequency with smaller aircraft?

Southwest, who apparently has the better business model, is apparently eating everyone's lunch in MSY. Thank you for the facts Tom in NO.



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1361 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 2598 times:

Didn't BA used to fly into MSY in the past. I thought I read somewhere that they operated an L-1011 or maybe even a B747 into the airport in the late 80's early 70's???


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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days ago) and read 2584 times:

N1120a:

WN is currently leasing 9 gates on concourse B (1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11), they also use 15 on occasion. The two other gates on B (10 and 15) are ex-CO gates that currently do not have any jetways on them, and are unused. The hope is that WN will eventually take them over, but I haven't seen anything in writing on that.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
25 MSYtristar : BA flew MEX-MSY-LGW in 1982 with an L15. Three weekly flights. Prior to that National flew MSY-AMS with a D10 back in '79. Now all we see are European
26 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : BA flew MEX-MSY-LGW in 1982 with an L15. Three weekly flights. Prior to that National flew MSY-AMS with a D10 back in '79. National flew that route ba
27 Post contains images LambertMan : I don't mean to open a can of worms, and I don't intend for this to be hostile but... While the MSY forumers are reminiscing about past European servi
28 William : Wow.........National Airlines,that brings back some memories. I remember as a kid flying (in 1975) from DFW(when it was really in the middle of nowher
29 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : While the MSY forumers are reminiscing about past European services, is one in the near future conceivable? YES! ...though, at this point, probably no
30 N1120a : Wow, Fred, welcome back. You missed a massive post on 777s v. A340s. I honestly think that O&D tourist traffic can sell some forward cabin seats. Sure
31 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : You missed a massive post on 777s v. A340s. ...that's what you think some rich tourists will fly up front, along with consular officials and the few b
32 MSYtristar : Apparently some people in our route planning department in Denver have been hearing talk about AF opening up CDG-MSY before too long...three weekly fl
33 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Apparently some people in our route planning department in Denver have been hearing talk about AF opening up CDG-MSY before too long ...though, I'm cu
34 N1120a : >AF doesn't like to run less-than-dailies on its USA/Canadian ops... in fact (though I'm not sure if this was greenlighted or still applicable at this
35 Post contains images Tom in NO : Again though, you don't think AF could fly 1 J/Y A343 a day to MSY? There you go, Fred.....a question for you. Actually, I guess it kind of puts you i
36 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Perhaps 2 A340s on MIA, 2 772ERs on PHL and one of each on DTW MIA is far too high-yielding a market to bother with A340s. PHL cant even support a si
37 Ejmmsu : Also, when Delta Pulls out of DFW in Jan, MSY will lose 8 daily ASA CRJ's to DFW. This is about 400 seats, equivilent to two or three mainlines. I won
38 Tom in NO : I had a discussion this morning with our marketing guru, and he's telling me that there's nothing European in the works, and any rumors of an impendin
39 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : *mumbles* I hate you so much Tom... ...damn realist
40 Post contains images N1120a : >you don't think AF could fly 1 J/Y A343 a day to MSY? Think about what you just asked me.....
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