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AA And The 773?  
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Why hasn't AA ordered any 777-300 and just use 777-223ER?


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User currently offlineBushcheney2004 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3012 times:

While I don't know the answer it is a very good question. My guess would be for financial reasons and so they can have more frequent flights. It is the same reason I guess as the 744.

User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

You can ask the same question of UA, CO, and DL.

The answer: They didn't need it.  Big grin


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2991 times:

In 2000, AA ran an in-depth diagnostic on the use of Trent-powered 773As on its ORD & JFK to LHR runs.

They decided against this as they determined that they could not fill the aircraft (to yield) on a yearround basis.





User currently offlineWhitehatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2981 times:

Same reason I haven't ordered fifteen Rolls Royces and a Rolex.

NO MONEY

American don't have any spare cash and are barely outside bankruptcy. Who in their right mind at either AA or the banks would agree to taking on a fresh load of debt for a company which barely missed Chapter 11?

The 744 doesn't fit their fleet plans either. AA's business model is based on the Big Twins, which fit nicely into their operation. They have no need for a 747 anymore. Maybe when their business is stable and debt levels allow, they can start looking at the 773 and 7E7 for the future, but for now their fairly new 772ER and 767 fleets are the backbone of the operation.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

I think the 772ER's do perfectly well for them in terms of yield managment..and its not as if their financial situation is the best either....


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User currently offlineJet-lagged From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2855 times:

Interesting point though. Not only do they (and DL and CO) not have any 747s, but they don't have any 773s. The market route structure is certainly fragmented.

User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2818 times:

I've heard in the past AA wants the 772LR, but not with the GE engines, which is the only engine offered on it. AA wants the RR on them first before they'll order it. Of course we all know that's not going to happen until the money situation improves. AFAIK the 773 is just too big of an aircraft for AA's needs. Regards.


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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2747 times:

I think the 773 with some engines AA would like could do very well on JFK-LHR, or ORD-NRT, look at the amount of flights per day just on JFK-LHR for AA.

AA777jr


User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5174 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2701 times:

Regardless of the money situation, AA doesn't need the 777-300. Service to LHR and LGW is scheduled on the model that business flyers like the option of multiple flights, so anything bigger than the -200 would be hard to fill.

Even buying just a few -300s doesn't fit in with the plan to have fewer aircraft types.

For AA to have any interest in the-300, two things have to happen. First, AA would have to increase its flying to Asia. Even if it starts service to China and/or Hong Kong, that isn't the amount to justify buying larger airplanes.

Second, AA would want the -300ER, with RR engines. My understanding is that GE has an exclusive deal with Boeing for the -300ER. I don't know if this deal is for a specific duration or for the production run of the -300ER, but if Boeing only offers GE engines, AA isn't buying.


User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

I believe that AA looked at the 773 before Sept. 11 though so they were in a better financial situation when they would have ordered the plane. I also too heard intrest in the 772LR but that they didn't have enough money to even put PTV's in their 763's so how would they have enough money to buy a $300 million dollar plane??

User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

Maybe I've missed postings before, but what is the reason GE has exclusive engine supply deals for the 773ER and 777LR?

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2542 times:

Maybe I've missed postings before, but what is the reason GE has exclusive engine supply deals for the 773ER and 777LR?

Step 1, boeing executive calls up GE executive and they go out on a date. Next thing you know, the Boeing executive becomes the GE executive's sex slave, and in that relationship, the Boeing executive gives the GE executive anything he/she wants.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

In other words, I really need to stop posting when I'm Tired and/or Drunk.


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2541 times:

>Maybe I've missed postings before, but what is the reason GE has exclusive engine supply deals for the 773ER and 777LR? <

Boeing struck them a deal to take a big part in the development costs, in exchange for being the sole engine supplier. They also did this with the turbofan 737s and CFM



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2494 times:

I don't know if this deal is for a specific duration or for the production run of the -300ER

the latter


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Step 1, boeing executive calls up GE executive and they go out on a date. Next thing you know, the Boeing executive becomes the GE executive's sex slave, and in that relationship, the Boeing executive gives the GE executive anything he/she wants.

Dude,

Thanks for totally making my morning!

Tony



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

ConcordeBoy is correct about not being able to fill a 773ER on a year-round basis. In the winter months, sometimes AA offers JFK-LHR round-trip for as low as $198 just to fill the seats in coach on a 772. The frequencies on the JFK-LHR and ORD-LHR routes are not for capacity reasons, but to meet business fliers' needs for flights at different times of day.

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