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Future BA Fleet Plans  
User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 5 months 6 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

Hey Guys,

I've been wondering for a while now what BA's fleet will consist of in the next 2/5/10 years. BA has recently taken delivery of their first mainline Airbus A321....

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...complementing its existing fleet of A319 and A320 aircraft, which are set to stay in the fleet for many years to come.

BA also operates the Boeing 767 and 757,

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The Boeing 737,

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and of course, the 747 and 777...

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amoungst various other regional aircraft.

My questions to everyone are - Are we likely to see any aircraft retired from the fleet in the near future? What new orders (if any) are BA considering making? Will BA have any interest in the A380 or the 7E7?

Your opinions are appreciated  Smokin cool,

Cheers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Ian@STN


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User currently offlineGLA MD11 From France, joined Mar 2000, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

I would guess the A321 will progressively replace the B757, waiting for a possible order of 7E7. Also the B 737 are going to be phased out and replaced by Airbuses.

As for the A380, for the moment, they are planning on keeping Boeing for long-haul and Airbus for European operations. However, if Virgin orders A380 and decreases its prices, BA may need to reconsider the issue. Otherwise, their B747 will stay for a while.


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

BA would likely be one of the first customers for the 747ADV, if Boeing builds it as they appear to be leaning now.

The fate of the 767 will be determined by a 7E7 order, while even if BA did get the A380, they would likely keep flying the 744s for a while. Still, I think they would prefer the 747, especially if it is as efficient as they say it will be.



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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 5160 times:

I would agree about 767s N1120a, though I think the actual performance of the 7E7 will drive that order, if it comes. I also have a feeling that Airbus can't be completely ruled out. BA use 767s more for short-haul (Europe, Mediterranean and North Africa) than they use them long-haul.

As for the 380, it can't be a replacement for the entire 747 fleet - can't imagine anyone do a LHR-SEA on a 380 for example - so the two will co-exist, if they get any 380s at all.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13043 posts, RR: 78
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 5 hours ago) and read 5092 times:

There is no 'Airbus for this, Boeing for that' rule, the only order is prospect is to replace 767's around 2010.
BA now have a policy of not being the launch customer for any new type.


User currently offlineRtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4835 times:

I think the plan is somthing like:

S/H - A319/320/321; the 757s are being phased out (most have gone already), the 737s will eventually follow as will the 763s.

L/H - 744 & 772 with a few 763s.

The 7e7 is a possible replacement for the L/H 76s but not for at least 4-6 years I guess. I would also think that A380s are unlikely in the next 10 years but if Boeing ever does get their finger out and do a 747Adv then that might be of interest to replace some of the earlier 744s. Still could not see that happening for a few years yet tho'; BA is still focussing on reducing the debt rather than buying new a/c.


User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8426 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4799 times:
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When BA is happy with the financial position of the copmany,expect some new orders.

The E70 series to replace ARJ/735 and more A32X family to replace the 733/734/752 fleet.

The 7E7 is a likely addition at some stage to replace 763's.

A380 or 747ADV,too early to tell.



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User currently offlineRtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Ba319-131: not thought about ARJ/735 replacement. I thought that the 735s are operated by mainline, so I would have thought that A319s would replace those. The ARJs are op by BACX who already have Er135/145 so E70s would make sense for them.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

This is my understanding:

The longhaul fleet will remain primarily 772 and 744 with a handful of 763s operating thin routes. BA has stated that its not interested in the A380 at the present time, its simply too big for most routes. BA, down the road, will look to replace the 744s with a mix of 747Advanced (if launched), 773ERs and it is likely that, at that point in time, BA will then take another look at the A380. The 763s are scheduled for an interior update and will remain in the fleet for the foreseeable future, thus, a 7e7 order will not be placed at the current time, but its likely that the 7e7 will replace the 757/767 fleet in the longer term. Also, BA has stated that it is not interested in being a launch customer for new aircraft types....a money saving item....there are some additional costs associated with introducing a new type to service that may or not may be offset by aggressive prices usually offered to launch customers.

The short-haul fleet will consist of the A32X family, a handful of 757s and 767s where capacity or range is needed (the 757s that remain in BA's fleet are rather new) and the 734s which were delivered new to BA around 1990. BA still has a good number of leased in 2nd generation 737s that were acquired second hand (to cover the period between the sell-off the the older 757s and the delivery of the new A32X aircraft) and it is likely that these second hand 737s will be the next group of aircraft to be retired. In the next couple years, BA will make a decision regarding the replacement of the 734 fleet as well as the "original" A320s that BA acquired via the Bcal deal - of course, the likely replacements are more A32X aircraft, but we could see some type super-sized regional jets mixed into the order for operations out of Manchester and Birgminham.



User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4146 times:
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The 767s will be around for a while yet - they are currently refitting the interiors. So don't hold your breath for a 7E7 order.

I think BA will certainly buy A380s - when most/all the competition is using them on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME and Asia flights, plus VS, AF & LH over the Atlantic, they won't have much choice.



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User currently offlineEuropean From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4067 times:

What about the A350?

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I hope that the 747's stay - to be onist - i don't know if i like the look of the A380.

747 All the way..................


European
Jimmi


User currently offlineRtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

A350 - I doubt it. If/when the 767 replacement orders are put it's more likely to be 7E7 than A350. Boeing will likely make the cockpit similar to 777 so that would allow common flight crew ratings and also I understand that any 747Adv would be using 7E7 type bleedless engines. I still think it less than likely that BA would order A380s so no advantage for A350 over 7E7... just my humble opinion....

User currently onlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2868 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3721 times:

BA would most likely replace its 767s/757s with 7e7-3s for SH and 7e7-8s for LH as it would give common ratings with its other Boeing LH products

As for the 747-the older ones would probably be replaced by the 747adv


User currently offlineBoo25 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

There was a thread on this only two weeks ago ..........

Airbus (50 approx) most pretty new, average age about 2 .5 years (except the 10 older 320's which i believe are next to go).

757/767 - all of the old 757s have now gone, the 11 remaining are expected to stay quite a while.
767s - were due to go but versatile and in regular use for a variety of routes..
here to stay a while yet...

777s obviously newish too , so no plans here.

747-400s , some models getting on for 15 years - so a long term plan due in the next 5 years.

Perhaps the 777-300 could replace some 744s and maybe 7E7 replace the 757/767 ? Seems ideal, though Boeing are promising a 747-X so will have to wait and see...

Then again with the company gripped by Future Size and Shape cost savings they may turn to Airbus if the A350 shapes up well......


User currently offlineF4f3a From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

what about the regional fleet ?


Is BA looking at the erj170-190 to replace the older rjs in the fleet ?


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3026 times:
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For me, the regional fleet will go the way of

10 DHC8s out by the end of next year
EMB145s to operate on the DHC8 routes (if economic to do so)
ERJ170s to replace the EMB145s on the "popular" routes

Not too sure ERJ190s will figure to a great extent, at least in the short-term.

David


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3007 times:

>BA now have a policy of not being the launch customer for any new type.<

You mean, of course, except for the 772ER?



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 912 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

You mean, of course, except for the 772ER?

I thought this point was raised and answered (by yourself in an earlier forum) but in any event.... this decision by BA is post 777. It may in fact be due to their early experience with the 777 and GE90 powerplant....


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