My questions to everyone are - Are we likely to see any aircraft retired from the fleet in the near future? What new orders (if any) are BA considering making? Will BA have any interest in the A380 or the 7E7?
GLA MD11 From France, joined Mar 2000, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4661 times:
I would guess the A321 will progressively replace the B757, waiting for a possible order of 7E7. Also the B 737 are going to be phased out and replaced by Airbuses.
As for the A380, for the moment, they are planning on keeping Boeing for long-haul and Airbus for European operations. However, if Virgin orders A380 and decreases its prices, BA may need to reconsider the issue. Otherwise, their B747 will stay for a while.
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25976 posts, RR: 78 Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4651 times:
BA would likely be one of the first customers for the 747ADV, if Boeing builds it as they appear to be leaning now.
The fate of the 767 will be determined by a 7E7 order, while even if BA did get the A380, they would likely keep flying the 744s for a while. Still, I think they would prefer the 747, especially if it is as efficient as they say it will be.
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Jasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 42 Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4613 times:
I would agree about 767s N1120a, though I think the actual performance of the 7E7 will drive that order, if it comes. I also have a feeling that Airbus can't be completely ruled out. BA use 767s more for short-haul (Europe, Mediterranean and North Africa) than they use them long-haul.
As for the 380, it can't be a replacement for the entire 747 fleet - can't imagine anyone do a LHR-SEA on a 380 for example - so the two will co-exist, if they get any 380s at all.
Rtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 402 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4288 times:
I think the plan is somthing like:
S/H - A319/320/321; the 757s are being phased out (most have gone already), the 737s will eventually follow as will the 763s.
L/H - 744 & 772 with a few 763s.
The 7e7 is a possible replacement for the L/H 76s but not for at least 4-6 years I guess. I would also think that A380s are unlikely in the next 10 years but if Boeing ever does get their finger out and do a 747Adv then that might be of interest to replace some of the earlier 744s. Still could not see that happening for a few years yet tho'; BA is still focussing on reducing the debt rather than buying new a/c.
Rtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 402 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4083 times:
Ba319-131: not thought about ARJ/735 replacement. I thought that the 735s are operated by mainline, so I would have thought that A319s would replace those. The ARJs are op by BACX who already have Er135/145 so E70s would make sense for them.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3916 times:
This is my understanding:
The longhaul fleet will remain primarily 772 and 744 with a handful of 763s operating thin routes. BA has stated that its not interested in the A380 at the present time, its simply too big for most routes. BA, down the road, will look to replace the 744s with a mix of 747Advanced (if launched), 773ERs and it is likely that, at that point in time, BA will then take another look at the A380. The 763s are scheduled for an interior update and will remain in the fleet for the foreseeable future, thus, a 7e7 order will not be placed at the current time, but its likely that the 7e7 will replace the 757/767 fleet in the longer term. Also, BA has stated that it is not interested in being a launch customer for new aircraft types....a money saving item....there are some additional costs associated with introducing a new type to service that may or not may be offset by aggressive prices usually offered to launch customers.
The short-haul fleet will consist of the A32X family, a handful of 757s and 767s where capacity or range is needed (the 757s that remain in BA's fleet are rather new) and the 734s which were delivered new to BA around 1990. BA still has a good number of leased in 2nd generation 737s that were acquired second hand (to cover the period between the sell-off the the older 757s and the delivery of the new A32X aircraft) and it is likely that these second hand 737s will be the next group of aircraft to be retired. In the next couple years, BA will make a decision regarding the replacement of the 734 fleet as well as the "original" A320s that BA acquired via the Bcal deal - of course, the likely replacements are more A32X aircraft, but we could see some type super-sized regional jets mixed into the order for operations out of Manchester and Birgminham.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11789 posts, RR: 48 Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3599 times:
The 767s will be around for a while yet - they are currently refitting the interiors. So don't hold your breath for a 7E7 order.
I think BA will certainly buy A380s - when most/all the competition is using them on MEA Middle East Airlines (Lebanon)">ME and Asia flights, plus VS, AF & LH over the Atlantic, they won't have much choice.
Rtfm From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 402 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3313 times:
A350 - I doubt it. If/when the 767 replacement orders are put it's more likely to be 7E7 than A350. Boeing will likely make the cockpit similar to 777 so that would allow common flight crew ratings and also I understand that any 747Adv would be using 7E7 type bleedless engines. I still think it less than likely that BA would order A380s so no advantage for A350 over 7E7... just my humble opinion....
Boo25 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 294 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2866 times:
There was a thread on this only two weeks ago ..........
Airbus (50 approx) most pretty new, average age about 2 .5 years (except the 10 older 320's which i believe are next to go).
757/767 - all of the old 757s have now gone, the 11 remaining are expected to stay quite a while.
767s - were due to go but versatile and in regular use for a variety of routes..
here to stay a while yet...
777s obviously newish too , so no plans here.
747-400s , some models getting on for 15 years - so a long term plan due in the next 5 years.
Perhaps the 777-300 could replace some 744s and maybe 7E7 replace the 757/767 ? Seems ideal, though Boeing are promising a 747-X so will have to wait and see...
Then again with the company gripped by Future Size and Shape cost savings they may turn to Airbus if the A350 shapes up well......
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 848 posts, RR: 51 Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2449 times:
You mean, of course, except for the 772ER?
I thought this point was raised and answered (by yourself in an earlier forum) but in any event.... this decision by BA is post 777. It may in fact be due to their early experience with the 777 and GE90 powerplant....