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User currently offlineFutureB6Capt From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

Alright, theoretically speaking, what would you need in order to start a FAA part 121 scheduled carrier. What are the steps and certifications and such? Can the FAA deny one if that someone doesn't seemed experience or well suitable for the job, but has the cash?

Just curious!
FutureB6Capt

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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

I think you would need a trustee who would do the paperwork requirements for FAA & DOT certification procedures. Aircraft maintenance & flight crew would be the MOST difficult part to start up an airline, IMO. Legal (airtrustworthy and financial issues) is next, again in IMO. Just my .02 cents.


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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

The FAA can deny you if they don't like what you are wearing that day. You need cash and a familiar face. After that come all the troubles.

User currently offlineKYIPpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

The FAA can deny you if they don't like what you are wearing that day. You need cash and a familiar face. After that come all the troubles.

Correct. Was it the FAA or DOT that wouldn't let Frank Lorenzo run an airline again?



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User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

By the time Lorenzo was well into his "killing spree" he was well known and taking over existing airlines. He didn't have to start them up in order to run them into the ground.

User currently onlineAlias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

To start an airline in the US you need two things. First you need to obtain a Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. This is issued by the DOT. Second you need to meet the technical requirements in Part 121. This is known as OP SPECS and is issued by the FAA.

Many things are considered in the Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. You must show that the airline is fit, willing, and able to provide the service. On the financial side, you must show that you can operate for the first 90 days without any revenue. You must also show enough capital for five years of operations. You must show that your management team is qualified and capable, and that your aircraft choice and routes are compatible with your plans. Finally, you must show that the airline's owners meet the citizenship requirements.

For OP SPECS you need to put together a comprehensive Operating Manual, Training Manual, and Maintenance Manual. After these are approved by the FAA, the qualifications of the airline's senior technical staff will be examined. The FAA will check aircraft histories and look at individual maintenance programs. If you outsource maintenance, the maintenance provider must be FAA certified for the types of aircraft you operate. Finally, you crews must be current, or training to be current in the aircraft types you plan to operate.

I hope this helps answer some of your questions.



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User currently offlineFutureB6Capt From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Cool, one question though. So how did Neeleman get the money he needed to start Morris Air...he's a college dropout with little indsutry experience...has ADD. Where did he get that money!? Is it because he was President and the CEO raised it. I don't know, any thoughts? I mean, Neeleman wasn't a fimiliar face and/or have lots of cash!


-FutureB6Capt


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25276 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2165 times:
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FutureB6Capt:

June Morris, who was actually the founder of Morris Air, might have a word or three to say about that.

Sadly, she is dead, and can't answer your question.

So it is that the legend lives that Mr. Neeleman "started" Morris Air.

cheers

mariner



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