DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1441 times:
Guard unit is what I'm doing starting this summer...it's one of the best deals on wheels. In the Jacksonville, Florida wing, they fly F-15C's, and have about 10-12 of em. I want to enlist as an E-2/E-3 because of my previous college credits, and become either a crew chief (plane Captain) or an Ops specialist, and drill once a month and do some TDY during the summer, all while I'm finishing up my last 2 years of school, WHICH they pay for. After I graduate, I can put in my application for pilot, which can be tricky, but previous guard/flying experience counts dividends. Then they send you to T-41/T-37/T-38 flight school, and then to F-15's. Aint a bad deal at all, and gets you the quality airline time you need. I'm 99% sure this is the route I want to go, I've had some other a.net members give me some valuable advice on this...trust me, it's worth it, it's the best kept secret in the military.
Aa717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1330 times:
Deltaguy--Fighters is where it's at. Except you won't build any time. Active duty guys barely get 500 hours a year. I guess you could volunteer for as many deployments as possible... If I'm not mistaken, JAX is an Air Defence squadron. I doubt if they even get to deploy. They just intercept Cherokees headed in with no flight plan...
If you are aiming at a career in the airlines, go with a C-130 unit(SAV) or maybe tankers. If you go active duty, try to get an AWACS slot--all they do is drill holes in the sky. Good luck.TC
Sleepyflyboy From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 73 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1302 times:
I have heard it is a huge waste of money for what you get. I don't mean to be knocking it but I have also heard that the people that they have teaching in the Sims aren't as experienced as they would have you believe. A student at the Daytona campus told me that they have people who haven't touched an actually plane teaching people in the sim. Which is all well and good by the regs but I think I would rather have an ex airline employee who flew the line. I don't know how true that is but I have also heard that they don't have the connections that they say they have with employers. I dunno but I do remember there being a website about the CAPT program that was very .... hard on the program I guess you could say.
I dunno who peed in that guys cheerios but he might be somewhat truthful?????
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1165 times:
Thanks for the good feedback...and you're right, pretty much all JAX does it protect the ADIZ, like you said to go mess with the Cherokee guys who frabbed it up. They have 2 Eagles on full time alert down in Homestead, and those are manned by ground crews there, and ANG pilots who volunteer to go active for that mission...it rotates out from what I hear. There are occasional TDY's to Nellis (for Red Flag), Rydiah, etc etc, but are usually always optional.
SAV is a good choice, as well as Warner Robbins, but I plan to be in JAX for a bit, as I finish up college there and probably plan on settling down there. If I did get a slot with KC-10's or C-130's up in SC or GA, guess I'd be moving! Granted, FANG wouldn't do a ton of flying for me, but I could also hold a CRJ job or whatnot at the same time, and wait out the airline situation whilst doing that. Fighter pilot sure does look good on a resume
I take it you were ex mil sir? Thanks for the advice
NW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 488 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1143 times:
I am enrolled, do not come here. It costs an arm and a leg, you will be a guinea pig, they promise you an MD90 type rating which is useless because Delta is the only US operator of the MD90 and its not even the glass cockpit version (which we have). Also, they promise you so many hours of multi-engine time, but NONE OF IT is PIC. Capt will be a good program soon, but its brand new and not worth the hassle.
I strongly recommend ATP or Delta Connection Academy...superior flight schools at an awesome price. There is an instructor at the ATP in Jacksonville who is a co-author of the Airplane Flying Handbook, incredible instruction.
Type-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4350 posts, RR: 20 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1095 times:
The airlines cannot load up on low time pilots because they will get themselves into a situation where they do not have pilots with enough hours to promote to captain. Keep this in mind when you read the BS shoveled out by CAPT.
I think that website was created by one of our infamous teenage "armchair airline CEO's"!
Now all we need is the "You have to graduate from UND to get an airline job" contingent to start!
Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
AZjetgeek From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 235 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1090 times:
I checked into ERAU's Master's in Aviation Management Program. It's incredibly expensive. For what I would have to pay, they would have to guarantee I would get hired by an airline. There is an advantage to their program and that is it is offered online. I have no desire to move to Fla. any time soon. I had my share of hurricanes in my eight plus years in Louisiana.
ERAU's Prescott, AZ campus does offer a Bachelor's in Aviation Management, but I feel it would make more sense to get the graduate degree. I already have an MBA to my credit.
TimeForFlight From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1010 times:
Check out Middle Tennessee State University... Just took delivery of over $5 million in new aircraft, have a 727 donated from FedEx, new facilitites... It's a nice program even though I'm enrolled in Aerospace Mgmt!
Jcxp15 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 996 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1003 times:
You might want to look into some sort of ROTC program at your school, rather than enlisting. I don't know how the guard goes, but OTS slots (what you'll need to become a pilot) from what I've heard are pretty hard to get. Also, I personally know some enlisted dudes who have applied for OTS slots, but are in a high demand field, and were turned down.
Then you'll have to get your UPT slot. There's no guarantee you'll get fighters either, or get stationed at JAX. Much depends on the airframe you get out of UPT.
IAHERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 677 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 984 times:
Check out Auburn University's Aviation program. It is very old and has produced many airline pilots over the years. They have a good football program as well and the campus scenery is nothing to shake a stick at.
Pilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3082 posts, RR: 12 Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 974 times:
The guard is a trick thing. You'll be there for night ops and more often than not, those trips to Gulf Port are done during the times you're in school so you'll miss a week or two. Another tough thing about the guard is that most slots are taken by pilots coming from the active duty ranks but not wanting to fully retire. If you are lucky to get a slot and it isn't in the state you serve in you will likely have to pay back the tuition they paid because you didn't fufill your duty time. I have some friends here that are in the 131FW and I decided against it for some of the reasons I mentioned above. I have tons of respect for those guys but I didnt' think it was for me.
Anybody who wants info on SLU, let me know. They also have a professional pilot program and it isn't too terribly hard to double major recieving the management degree and the aviation degree. They were also rated among the top aeronautical engineering schools in the country.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 957 times:
You might want to look into some sort of ROTC program at your school, rather than enlisting
Jcxp15, Been there done that lol....I was involved with a Navy ROTC unit, but ended up detaching as I wasn't going to pick up scholarship/Navy pilot slots were few and far between, at least from this unit. It was a wise move in hindsight I do believe. I had a congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but that didn't happen either. Now I'm approaching my junior year of college, so it's pretty impractical to pick up ROTC anyways...OCS/OTS is the way to go, and I would almost rather Cross Into the Blue so to speak, ejection seats are a little more pleantiful there.
Pilotpip, you make some very valid points as well, and alot of these are things I was rather concerned with myself. I was told (and I need to go speak with some more people in the Jax ANG to substantiate this), that it is a defense unit (as AA717 said), and does not deploy as alot of the other units do. Jax ANG does recieve about 50 pilot apps a year, for 1 possibly 2 pilot seats. As you stated, many are Active guys looking to go part time, some are off the street people, and some are people from within the guard, like I would be. I know of one DL 732 F/O who was an Ops specialist there, got picked up for pilot a few years later, went F-15's, and now does the 732 thing. Not an entirely bad deal...helps to know a few people too, which my background does have (I say that with all humbleness)
Well anyways...to me it seems like a good deal, and it sure is a start to a good part-time military career, while I also persue airline ambitions...Delta will like me alot more with some form of military time under my belt, however I may get it. I owe a couple of people on this site a word of thanks for all the help with teaching a navy-brat all about the Air Farce way...seems like a good direction to me!
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 949 times:
Support your local flight school. There are certain things that you won't be able to experience when you are flying like an airline pilot from hour 0. Flying is more than putting on the airline shirt and having the attitude of a 340 captain.
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 943 times:
I agree with BAHA. I was talking to a UA 744 captain, and he said that most of the guys he has flown with in a 30 year career have gone the private route, starting at their local GA airport and building up time that way. There are countless exec jet outfits that hire newer pilots and pay better than regionals will start you. And you build time. Once you get all the hours there, you can go to CO or Flight Safety and get a 737 type rating and get on somewhere like WN, who are constantly hiring.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
Scootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 920 times:
A word about shortcuts in aviation...
There are precious few shortcuts in this business. I fly with allot of UND and Purdue grads who get an airline job with as little as 600 hours (sometimes less). Good for them, when I had that kind of time I would have jumped on an opportunity like that "like white on rice".
But this really isn't much of a shortcut. They still will spend a few years in the right seat in order to build the time required to be allowed to upgrade to captain. You still need to build time and experience, no matter what. Personally I think that some of these who go as low time pilots directly to the airlines miss out on opportunities to build valuable experience as flight instructors or flying freight in a C210 at night.
Be very wary of programs that promise the world like ERAU's CAPT and TAB Express and the like. These are expensive and offer very little in the way of marketable experience. I am told that the CAPT program offers you a MD90 type rating (on a commercial certificate- NOT an ATP so you can't be a PIC) and the CHANCE to interview at a regional airline. Big deal, I say.
For the record I am an ERAU grad who was happy with the education I got. The CAPT program seems hokey to me, but the program for the fully matriculated university students is much better, IMHO.