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United Airlines: Stepping In The Right Direction  
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9628 times:


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The last three years have been a very trying time period for the airline industry. Some airlines have made great strides in an attempt to return to profitability. I would like to take the time to recognize the most prominent airline in the world, United Airlines.
In the three years following the September 11, 2001 attacks, United has greatly improved their chances of survival. They have attempted to right-size their markets. One such example is their SFO-LAX route. Once at more than 40 times daily, it now stands at 18 daily flights. They've used United Express to their benefit, creating profitable feed to their valuable and extensive international flight network, as well as their domestic network. An example of this is the use of UAX from the IAD hub, which feeds UA's profitable trans-Atlantic flights. With the recent creation of Ted, UA has attempted to maximize yields, and make consumers happy with their product. Using Ted to mainly leisure markets benefits both consumers and shareholders alike- low fares, and high profits.
The introduction of a new trans-continental premium product, United's p.s., they aim to keep their current profit-producing customers, as well as attracting new ones. A new high-yield product that I feel will crush the competition (mainly American Airlines), will pay off in the end. Having a streamlined, consistent product will have a positive effect when compared to the competition.
A smart management team, and dedicated employees are the keys to success in delivering UA's new and improved product. If it weren't for you pilots, flight attendants, ground crew, upper management, as well as a plethora of others, UA would not be where it is today- on the road to profitability.
I feel that the choices made by employees and executives have helped steer UA in the right direction. With that said, I would once more like to congratulate you employees (and consumers!), for doing a bang-up job. Keep up the good work, and good luck to you all!

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User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9564 times:

I could not agree with you more PanAm330. They are definitely taking steps in the right direction. I particularly applaud them focusing on the profitable international market, and moving the domestic traffic to the UA Express and TED. They're also renegotiating their capacity agreements which also seems like a good move...in this case with AWAC. I hope it works out for them!


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User currently offlineTbird From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 851 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9548 times:

Third quarter loss of 274 million.
725 million more in connsessions needed.
Possibe scrapping of the union contracts.
"There will be a significant number of staff reductions," Chief Executive Glenn Tilton said at an industry event in Brussels.

Yeah they're headed in the right direction??? I'm glad your not a industry consultant for United or they would be Chap 7 by now......


User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9503 times:

Tbird Survival is the bottom line! And they are doing everything they can to stay a float. You should obviously know that it will take significant reductions in every aspect of the company...equipment, personnel, and service, as well as, a different type of plan which is what we are talking about here.

"I'm glad your not a industry consultant for United or they would be Chap 7 by now......"


No need to get nasty...this is just forum, no one is attempting to run UA, just sharing opinions!



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9475 times:

Tbird: And everyone else is just rollin' in the dough, right? I don't see CO or AA people getting raises, no, they're taking cuts too. UA HAS made MANY steps in the right direction, whether you guys want to accept it or not.

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

Yup - UA is headed in the right direction . . . CHAOS with the F/As, now that's moving in the right direction alrighty! Don't see CHAOS at CO - they've worked to keep their heads out of their posteriors.

User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9422 times:

And what did you expect ANCFlyer?..There is bound to be some conflict with the work force. I know is not fair for a lot of hardworking folks at UA, but unfortunately it is a necessary step to get those concessions to ensure the survival of the company. And really.....come on...comparing CO to UA...why don't you compare the 777 with the Cessna 172 while you're at it?!?!?!

Clearly two very different scenarios!!!!



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User currently offlineNYCAAer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 692 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9420 times:

UAL may also default on its bankruptcy financing next month. They've been rejected for a government loan twice, and a judge last week ruled they must pay San Francisco $155 million in airport bonds. They also have yet to file a reorganization plan and were granted another 60-day extension to file, which also was done in court.

I'm not too worried about their p.s. service. AA tried using 757s in its 2-class configuration this past summer on the JFK-SFO route, and the negative response was so overwhelming, 767s were put back on the flights flown by the 757s.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 9399 times:

CRPilot . . . and when the dust settles, and the new world of US based air carriers is fettered out, CO will still be there, as will AS, NW, AQ, HA and a few others, legacy and LCCs - but I don't think we'll see much of a UA left (and by then US will be written into the history books . . . . long ago). Just the threat of CHAOS - discussed in a different thread - really makes me wanna hop on a UA flight out of ANC . . . really.

User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 977 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9311 times:

Steps in the right direction are nothing more than that: steps. They need to make leaps, the sharades they are pulling in Ch. 11 are a mockery to every other airline in the industry short of US.

In the three years following the September 11, 2001 attacks, United has greatly improved their chances of survival.

So have NW, CO, AA, and DL.... and they havn't had to cower in bankruptcy protection  Innocent

If an airline has to spend this much time in reorganization, chop the cancer off and concentrate on what is profitable. The "steps" you have mentioned are clearly not enough, as Reply 2 illustrates.


User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9281 times:

ANCFlyer,

There is no doubt that our beloved industry here in the U.S. is drastically changing, and while I agree with you on the survival of carriers like CO; there is still a few miles to go for UA. No one has said that it will be easy, and I've mentioned in other forums, they won't be around in the same capacity they are today...but if they play their cards right, there will be a leaner, cleaner UA a few years from now. Too early to call it one way or the other, but like the topic of the forum reads "United Airlines: Stepping In The Right Direction".



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User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9278 times:

Good one. They're heading in the right direction, and that's why people will lose pensions and I may be out of a job come January 7th.




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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9263 times:

CRPilot: Agreed it's a great topic for discussion. Also agreed, too early to call. That said, read reply #3, and #7. The numbers are hard to refute.

User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9235 times:

NYCAAer - There is a huge difference between AA using a two-class 757 and UA using a three-class 757 in the transcon market. AA didn't have, among other things, lie-flat first class seats and extra room in economy (AA's 757 have been converted back to less room throughout coach). I'm sure the negative response by AA flyers was not to the aircraft but to the lack of three-class service transcon flyers are accustomed to. If 757s are so bad on longer flights explain why Continental is having such success with them in transatlantic markets and why they have been widely used in recent years to Hawaii. I have no idea whether or not UA's p.s. will succeed, but to make a comparison to AA using two-class 757s is ridiculous.

User currently offlineUAfan17 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9130 times:

DfwRevolution- AA, CO, NW and DL werent plagued by the ESOP fiasco or the various bad mangament decisons ( I in no way am saying that the other airlines had it easy but UA had bad luck) read this article if u havent already http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/specials/united/chi-unitedfront,1,7545121.htmlstory .

AN-225- UA needs to get rid of the pension plan to get out of Bankruptcy, and a lot of other carriers will do the same to reduce costs (monkey see monkey do).

Just my opinion
-Simon


User currently offlineUALramperORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

An-225, By all means do not feel bad. Word on the ramp here in ORD says that we to may be out of a job come the 7th of January. BTW, they busted me down to part time a while back, how are things on the ramp in DEN?

User currently offlineAn-225 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 3950 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9083 times:

Ramp in DEN is one big clusterfuck as always.  Smile And you know, I am part-time with just a bit over a year seniority... Chances are, I'll join the ranks of real airline employees (who have been furloughed at least once). Keep your head up high, hopefully we'll all prevail through this mess.

Alex.



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User currently offlineUALramperORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9064 times:

I have 4 and a half years on the ramp in ORD and am still part time, down from full time 3 years ago. I also have been furloughed 2 times(the first time a week after 9/11, then last fall). As long as I get re-called its all good  Smile. Also you have'nt seen a clusterfuck until you have seen ramp ops in Chicago. We are down to a lead and one on all narrow bodies and normally a lead and two (or three if you are lucky) on wide bodies. Anyway good luck and drop me a line if you ever blow into ORD.

Ryan


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9063 times:

United doesn't even know what the "right direction" IS - so how can it be stepping there:

"With the recent creation of Ted, UA has attempted to maximize yields, and make consumers happy with their product."

Actually, United is doing the exact opposite - offering a low-frills product DILUTES passenger yields, not strengthens them. Offering half an airline does NOT entice customers to pay more money for the same flight than they did a year ago.

"The introduction of a new trans-continental premium product, United's p.s., they aim to keep their current profit-producing customers, as well as attracting new ones. A new high-yield product that I feel will crush the competition (mainly American Airlines), will pay off in the end."

American is ALREADY badly crushing United on the premium transcontinental routes - that's what motivated United to come up with p.s. in the first place. That said, I believe (and early anecdotal evidence about p.s. supports this) that p.s. is a brilliant product concept that will ultimately fail on account of poor revenue management and marketing strategies.


Furthermore, as others have stated, United is now two years and counting in bankruptcy, and doesn't have any of the necessary elements lined up to emerge, such as:

1. BK emergence financing;
2. An equity plan sponsor; or
3. A Plan of Reorganization.

While I think that United has at least a 1-in-3 chance of emerging from bankruptcy somewhat intact, it is foolhardy to assert that the company is moving in the right direction - the ONLY right direction is OUT of Chapter 11, and United ain't even close to doing that.



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User currently offlineUALramperORD From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9051 times:

LOL, another arm-chair ceo.

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 9035 times:

"LOL, another arm-chair ceo."

There's little "arm-chair" about my post - nothing United is currently doing is without some degree of precedent in this business, and little coming from the company these days indicates that the airline is set to rewrite conventional wisdom in a manner favorable to United.



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User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8996 times:

Well Avek00, how about if you "enlighten" us with some positive feedback on what UA should do instead!!!!!!!


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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

Four things that come off of the top of my head:

1. Restructure employee compensation to a modified pay-for-performance model that assures a minimum base pay but also allows for signficant additional compensation in return for increased productivity and achievement of company goals;

2. Remove some United Business seats from the 744 and 777 fleets and reconfigure the cabin to a 60-64" pitch and ~165-170 degrees of recline (essentially mimicking the flat-but-not-level products) with the existing seats until a new International C product can be brought online;

3. Take IAD down to a focus city with flights to the hubs + transcons and LHR - the other longhaul/international desintations ex-IAD destinations should be flown ex-ORD, allowing UA to leverage the strengths of its largest hub;

4. Rework the Mileage Plus program to encourage and incentivize passengers who spend the most money instead of those who simply fly more miles.


I have just outlined four practical ideas that not only seek to cut costs but also put the company in a position to BOOST REVENUES, the thing that United has failed at doing for the last five years.

[Edited 2004-11-22 01:54:19]


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8941 times:

What a fun discussion! I'll be the first to admit UA has quite a few problems, due to inept management, corrupt unions, disgruntled employees, as well as factors they cannot control (fuel prices, market demand, etc.). The simple fact that THEY ARE STILL HERE is testament enough to the POSITIVE actions that UA has made in the past few months. Not one person knows what will happen to UA, so why don't we all sit back, grab some popcorn, and watch what happens instead of fighting over the future of the airline!

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

"The simple fact that THEY ARE STILL HERE is testament enough to the POSITIVE actions that UA has made in the past few months."

Actually, its a greater testament to the assertion that big airlines tend to die a slow painful death unlike their smaller counterparts.



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25 UALFAson : I think the point of this forum is to recognize that UA is at least attempting to make changes to its business plan as a result of current events, whe
26 Post contains images FriendlySkies : UALFAson: Don't forget, the ATSB thought USAir and ATA were worthy of loans. I won't go any further with that, it speaks for itself.
27 Jacobin777 : "I'm not too worried about their p.s. service. AA tried using 757s in its 2-class configuration this past summer on the JFK-SFO route, and the negativ
28 Avek00 : "Yes, UA was having financial problems before 9/11, but the airline did lose 2 of its airplanes, a dozen employees and hundreds of passengers in the a
29 Post contains links Cactus739 : UALFAson Just a couple of things. Not to make light of your posts, dishonor the memory of those that died, or make light of the current situation that
30 Post contains images UA772IAD : My remarks to the replies: 1) Tbird- As stated, UA is not the only one with losses, and that other comment was totally uncessary. 2) ANCFlyer: You can
31 Lufthansa : You know, I am really surprised that this turned into a UAL bashing section. Shutting down UAL's IAD hub is going to cost UAL all of their government
32 UA772IAD : Lufthansa: Exactly! I couldn't agree more- thank you to few of you who believe, and didn't treat this as bash UA!
33 ANCFlyer : UA772IAD - I think perhaps leaving IAD is a good call . . . although the idea of taking a bus on steriods out to the terminal is bizzare, that will so
34 JoFMO : @Lufthansa: I would also agree with you on most of your arguments. But your last argument is difficult. SIA created its brand since a lot of years. An
35 FriendlySkies : A majority of the Board determined that a guaranteed loan to United is not a necessary part of maintaining a safe, efficient, and viable commercial av
36 Lufthansa : JoFMO Your right! It is going to be difficult. However, I can't see any other way UA can survive. It has a very good Asia-Pacific Network, and a reaso
37 FriendlySkies : I think UA has been attempting to "brighten up" it's product without raising fares. So what you guys are suggesting would be a great next step for UA
38 Burnsie28 : Steps in the right direction huh: With the recent creation of Ted, UA has attempted to maximize yields, and make consumers happy with their product. U
39 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Lufthansa: Very good post. Core Competencies . . . don't see that much on this site! Not sure most folks will be able to read and understand that phra
40 StevenUhl777 : I hope United Airlines is moving in the right direction right now...but I don't think we'll know that for sure for several more months or maybe even y
41 Burnsie28 : Ancflyer- There are airlines like WN, B6, F9 which dont allow that kind of service anymore, because people are price driven, and for the low prices to
42 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Burnsie28: when I travel on an LCC, I expect less - way less. There's a saying, "you get what you pay for". When I'm aboard WN - flew them twice, I ex
43 UA772IAD : @ANCFlyer I'm a bit confused... you DO think UA should step back its IAD operations? If you do (and to the others who would agree): Consider what Luft
44 JoFMO : I would prefer on the first hand to equip their whole long haul planes with PTV. Ice cream and champagne are nice, but not essential. I heard that DL
45 UA772IAD : I forgot to restate what I originally said concering IAD traffic to ORD. ORD is the 2nd busiest airport in the world (1st for either passengers/year o
46 ANCFlyer : US772IAD: Absolutely NOT, UA should, if anything expand their IAD operations. ORD is a goatrope. I don't like IAD simple because I must board that ove
47 UA772IAD : JoFMO UA charges $5 for spirits (cocktails), wine and beer in United Economy. All other beverages are complimentry, and all beverages are complimentry
48 Cactus739 : FriendlySkies Read the entire quote. Don't just focus on the words you want to use to illustrate your anger. You actually pasted the right words, just
49 SLUAviator : Lots of people here have made excellent points and counter points. Some people had good ideas and lots of ideas that are not so good. Sadly, I don't t
50 ANCFlyer : We're all hoping for the best. I wish UA all the sucess in the world. But I've watched disintegrate over the years to the point I won't fly them (or t
51 Cactus739 : StevenUhl777 - that was the most brilliant post I've ever read on here. No one on here even has the slghtest idea what its like to run a company the s
52 Scotron11 : Show me the money! Where I certainly do not want UAL to disappear, where is all their "cash" going? They operate some of the most lucrative internatio
53 ANCFlyer : Scotron11: Lest ye forget my friend, amongst all this hoopla about how UA is coming out of their slump, they are repainting airplaines in yet another
54 BigB : Hey Cactus, you allow me to finish school and learn about airline operations, I bet you I can jump in the water and keep the ship afloat.
55 Ramprat74 : Was it United management that demanded that the plots have the best contract in the industry? Was it United management who caused the summer of hell i
56 ANCFlyer : GREATANSETT No need to yell. . . we can all read just fne. Only one thing to ask you pal . . . Your Quote, (caps and all): "IT IS GOOD THAT UNITED IS
57 GREATANSETT : My mistake, OUT OF BUSINESS COMPLETELY
58 UALFAson : To add another comment to the discussion...I wonder how the airline industry would be right now if fuel weren't $50 a barrel? Not necessarily $25 a ba
59 Baw716 : WOW! I'm actually a little afraid to step into this fray. However, as much as we feel good about (or bad about) what UA is doing to stay alive, there
60 _AA_777_MAN : United seems to be outsourcing everything! What's going on!
61 Avek00 : "but if you think about it...what is lacking at United is common sense." AMEN! That's the bottom line point about United's sorry state - the managers
62 Luv2fly : Avek00 I have to agree and well said. A long road ahead STILL for UA! Though going on 2 years and no plan submitted as of yet, does not speak good if
63 FriendlySkies : Cactus: I still stand by my comment. I believe a loan to United is just as much "a necessary part of maintaining a safe, efficient, and viable commerc
64 NWAFA : I am starting to think that UA is totally in bed with the B.K. Judge in Chicago...they keep getting extension after extension after extension after ex
65 Ual777contrail : In bed with Judge Wedoff? Please, he has come down on UAL many times for not getting along with the shit unions at UAL. So many Idiots on this forum.
66 Baw716 : Avek00, I'm right with you on the DENIAL aspect of UAs situation. In fact, I think I put in one of my posts that Gordon Bethune was quoted on that poi
67 NWAFA : First of all Contrail, you are once again WRONG. Just two days ago in DEN, I had a BLUE main cabin boarding pass on United, I was upgraded to First an
68 Burnsie28 : Hey Contrail... And who again is in bankruptcy? -----> UAL Who has the most cash of any US Airline------> NW Seems to me that NW is superior to UA ---
69 ATWZW170 : NWAFA is right, we still do use two different boarding passes. The EasyCheck in units use one type of stock.
70 Uadc8contrail : god you arm chair idiots seem like a bunch of hyenas getting ready to pounce on that old gorilla(ual).....ancflyer, thank god you retired......you see
71 Avek00 : "tell me its not working" ...by the same token, I could point out the shi**y premium load factors on many United international flights - on many route
72 Cactus739 : As usual Burnsie, your love for Northwest has lead you to post incorrect facts in their favor.... Cash figures from Northwest in their 3Q earnings rel
73 UA772IAD : ...by the same token, I could point out the shi**y premium load factors on many United international flights - on many routes, the majority of the Uni
74 Bahadir : To all UAL haters, I don't know if the airline will survive or not but I am sticking with them till the last day. They are the BEST (read that again,
75 Jafa : Here is the problem as I see it. Everyone here is focused on what products such and such airline has, maybe it should be about what makes money. Not b
76 ANCFlyer : Bahadir: I don't hate United. On the contrary, I hate what it's become! An airline teetering on the brink, ready to go away at a moments notice. Servi
77 Post contains images NightFlier : What ever comes of this I hope UA can solve its problems and continue operation. Alot of good people work there and it will be a shame to see more of
78 ANCFlyer : Uadc8contrail "ancflyer, thank god you retired......you seem like the ever bitching person that throws a fit if he is not ug...if co and us want to ug
79 Mattnrsa : Please don't tell me there are actually those of you who think UA will go out of business. That thinking is so 2002! UA will have reduced costs by an
80 ANCFlyer : mattnrsa - - - Geez, did you send a copy of this to Tilton?! You're sure to get promoted. I surely hope UA continues to fly. I agree, US will be histo
81 NWAFA : Mattnrsa, As a former Pan Am Purser/Flight Attendant....no one would have EVER thought Pan Am would go away....it did. Eastern Airlines.....NO one wou
82 UA2162 : Well, it's great to see that somebody finally said some good things about UA. Congrats to PanAm330 for the great topic. While there are some negative
83 Post contains images StevenUhl777 : plus what United will never have, History..true aviation history Uhhhh....what????? United was founded in 1926...they are a TRUE PIONEER of the aviati
84 Burnsie28 : Well United was sorta founded in 1926, as trying to create a monopoly by Boeing, who came up with them. As for accomplishments, sure UA has a lot but
85 Mattnrsa : Believe me, I am not deluded enough to think that the government or anyone else will protect UA from going under because we are "too important", "too
86 Baw716 : Mattnrsa, A question: You state that UAL will have $2B in cost savings by January. Would you tell me where it is coming from? I just looked at their l
87 Carpethead : Many people made a big deal about UA in Chapter 11 two years ago. Most of the people here in Asia do not know they are still in Chapter 11. Most of my
88 Avek00 : "UA has not been acting under the assumption that they will be protected. " Completely untrue. Even Tilton himself admitted that the company believed
89 Mattnrsa : I don't think we can classify the ATSB loan as "protection". UA would have had to pay back the loan, after all. US got their loan, and they don't seem
90 FriendlySkies : plus what United will never have, History..true aviation history This is the most ignorant comment I have ever read on this forum in the past four yea
91 Baw716 : Mattnrsa, The $725K in savings you speak of in employee savings is only going to help you IF everyone can keep Patricia Friend et al from taking CHAOS
92 Avek00 : "As one of the officers pointed out, there is not one airline around that would not trade their route system with ours in a second if given the opport
93 Ual777contrail : NWAFA, Your dumb comments look foolish when compare to the post from CARPETHEAD, post 87. Go back up and read it, that is how most feel about NWA. The
94 Mattnrsa : Baw716, I don't have any connections at WHQ, but they do read these posts, so hopefully you have caught their attention. True, Tilton does not have an
95 NWAFA : Ual777contrail, I am truly happy that I work for, in your words "crap" airline...We are going to be around stronger and better than United will ever b
96 Post contains images Unitedtristar : NWAFA, You have your facts twisted UA was the first to offer interline eticketing (this agreement was with AC), actually they were the first to offer
97 Post contains images Avek00 : Actually, on the interline e-ticketing issue, you're BOTH wrong October 14, 1999 Continental Airlines and America West Airlines became the first two U
98 NWAFA : United Tristar, Actually Southwest was the 1st airline to offer ticketless travel. NWA was the 1st to offer it interline, and that was with KLM. Sorry
99 Post contains images Unitedtristar : NWAFA True WN was the first to offer ticketless travel but they weren't etickets...UA was the first to offer traditional tickets electronically (ticke
100 BigB : WN was the first to offer Ticketless, CO and HP were first to interline. NW was first to offer E-ticket check in.
101 MD : Unitedtristar, About bragging...E-ticket means nothing if you want stay in business. NWA is in better shape than UA, IMHO. Well...hope that both survi
102 UA772IAD : Avek00: You said: "As one of the officers pointed out, there is not one airline around that would not trade their route system with ours in a second i
103 UALramperORD : What is it with you people? One person gives UA a compliment, then you all turn and start bashing the airline for no reason. I guess UA is the only ai
104 FriendlySkies : UALramperORD: I'll let you in on something. See, on this forum, there's an unwritten rule about saying something good about UA. If you try (which I ha
105 Burnsie28 : Sad part is, that goes with every US airline except B6 UAL777CONTRAIL Your dumb comments look foolish when compare to the post from CARPETHEAD, post 8
106 Dayflyer : They will fail because they are not nimble enough in the market to survive all the changes that will be required to survive. UAL is a classic case of
107 Avek00 : "So, what, they have bad/full hubs, right. I think you just hate United, so your using any "logical" argument with nothing to back it up" My point was
108 JeffLAS : I don't think any airline, let alone United will be able to keep up with Crude Prices around $ 50 dollars a barrel. It is going to be a slow death fo
109 Baw716 : Mattnrsa Thanks...and you are right. I know Pete McDonald better than I do Goodwin, both are lifers...but the difference is that Pete McDonald benefit
110 Ual777contrail : They will fail because they are not nimble enough in the market to survive all the changes that will be required to survive. And we haven't been nimbl
111 Baw716 : Avek00, A question: Can you expand on your premise that UA can't better utilize its hubs? I understand your point re: United's lack of flexibility and
112 UA744Flagship : NWAFA: Many of your claims are ludicrous. Have you taken medication lately? Millions of dollars to come up with a really nice new paint job...sure the
113 WeAreUnited : Thank you Baw716. Great post and I couldn't agree with you more. Welcome to my respected users list.
114 Post contains images UALramperORD : FreindlySkies, You are right, as for this post I am done posting. Welcome to my R.U.L.
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