Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3134 times:
German newspapers report Iberia to be in talks with Airbus and Boeing about a replacement of the MD-87/88 fleet. Both have already made offers. No timeframe for selection was mentioned.
Wingman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined May 1999, 1836 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3015 times:
They're talking to Boeing??? That must be a joke or a typo. I hope Boeing isn't stupid to waste T&E budgeting on a new sales campaign with IB. It'd be nice to see Airbus win one at full catalog prices.
RayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7693 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2986 times:
The question is how fast can Airbus make production line allocation available for IB to buy probably 15-20 A319's.
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2477 posts, RR: 28 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
well its almost certain they will go for Airbus, since they have a big fleet of A320's and still receiving A321's as an 757 replacement. Although there is a chance they will go for boeing, they proved that they won't go for an All airbus fleet since they just leased 2 747-400's...
Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2904 times:
I think this news is a rumour. The oldest MD-87 is from 1990 (14 years old) and I don't think IB can replace it in a short time. MD-88's from the former Aviaco were, more or less, delivered on same time. (1989-90)
But if IB changes it, for sure will be replaced by other A-319/20/21. Another thing is Iberia-Regional (Air Nostrum) which maybe MIGHT? see a B-717 or A-318 like a "candidate" for some routes.
PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3987 posts, RR: 93 Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW COMMUNITY MANAGER
Here are some more details:
By Thomas Mulier
Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Iberia Lineas Aereas de Espana SA,
Spain's largest airline, is considering replacing its mid-range
fleet after 2005, once the upgrade of its long-range aircraft is
finished.
Airplane makers have made presentations to Iberia, Jaime
Perez, Iberia's spokesman said in a phone interview today.
Formal talks haven't begun, he added.
El Mundo newspaper reported that Iberia received offers
from Boeing Co. and Airbus SAS to replace the fleet. The order
might be worth 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion), the newspaper
said, citing unidentified industry sources.
``This is an ongoing process, it's normal that they make
presentations,'' Perez said. ``We don't yet have any date fixed
to start negotiations.''
So no decision until after upgrade of longe range fleet. That said, it should not prevent an order early next year to secure delivery slots. The timing works well in that it coincides with A32X Production Increase and the Manufacturers have already made initial presentations. I'd be interested to see how Boeing approached this after the A346/B773ER Competition and with the large number of A32X already in service with IB surely Commonality works in Airbus' favour for this order.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5333 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2671 times:
After Boeing came out after the A346 loss and said what they did about Iberia, I would be surprised if Iberia even visited Chicago at all this time around.
I love me some Boeings, but honestly... talk about burning bridges!
Levent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2550 times:
At a certain point there were rumours that Iberia would "donate" part of the MD87 fleet to Air Nostrum, but I don´t think ANS would be to keen to take them over and prefers to get new CRJ700´s or Q400´s from Canada instead.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2490 times:
I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB. I think Iberia management has already shown in the past that their only purpose in asking for an offer from Boeing is to try to get Airbus to come down on price, despite public statements that they don't intend to rely on a single supplier. Then again, it would be amusing to see them low-ball an offer to Iberia to try to stick it to Airbus' on its profit margin for the order. Iberia ordering Boeing narrowbodies is about as likely as Southwest ordering 250 A320's.
Bullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 9 Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2451 times:
ScottB
Boeing will sell their aircraft to the Devil himself if the offer was good. So believe me if IB invites them to present their goods, Boeing will be in MAD "mucho rapido amigo"
These are my principles but if you don't like them I have others
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2428 times:
Then again, it would be amusing to see them low-ball an offer to Iberia to try to stick it to Airbus' on its profit margin for the order. Iberia ordering Boeing narrowbodies is about as likely as Southwest ordering 250 A320's.
And AerBerlin ordered 60 A320 when they were an established 737NG customer... Boeing might be in the mood to reciprocate to Airbus.... especially with all the 737 orders they've been losing....
Iberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 16 Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2285 times:
I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB.
ScottB:
I gotta go with AA737-823 on this one. After Boeing came out after the A346 loss and said what they did about Iberia, I would be surprised if Iberia even visited Chicago at all this time around.
I think it was very unprofessional for Boeing to do something like that. In the world of business, negotiating deals is a big part and in ANY aspect of negotiating deal, you will always try to get a deal that is economically viable. That means going back and forth between vendors and getting a price that is good for you.
Boeing loses business to Airbus and vice-versa everyday. For Boeing to go and make this deal public was very distasteful. They are just sour because they lost a potentially large business deal. Its unfortunate, but it happens.
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2177 times:
i think iberia would look awesome in some 737-600 and -700 paint jobs, perhaps the -800 too would work for them, it would be a mixed fleet and i know it's not going to happen, which is why i wrote it
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TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4685 posts, RR: 48 Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB.
I understand you are not intending to work for a private enterprise? Otherwise I would strongly suggest you reconsider your statement. False pride has often led to the downfall of seemingly dominant companies.
Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1936 times:
The only product that Boeing would have to offer would be the 717-200 as it proves to be the best in its class (100 seaters). The 737-600/700 clash too much with their established fleet of A32X, but I really don't see IB going Boeing, they just wanna try to get some competition going so that they can get some more Airbus at a cheaper, more competitive price.
Regards
Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1886 times:
"I understand you are not intending to work for a private enterprise?"
Thanks, but I already work for a profitable private enterprise. Certain customers simply aren't worth having, as you well should know if you work for a private enterprise. To some degree, they'd have to look at Iberia's RFP and see how much it was stacked in Airbus' favor; if they're looking for something similar in capacity to the A32X fleet there's really no point in wasting the resources of your sales team on a bid when it is virtually certain that Airbus will get the order. If you'd have to sell at an extremely low price and do something uneconomical like buy out their Airbus fleet, it's a big money-loser.
For Boeing to have issued a press release like the one they did, they must have felt that Iberia had not been negotiating in good faith. And it is indeed sometimes better to tell a customer that you're not interested in their business.
767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 12 Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
I agree with ScottB, the customer is not always correct. IB in this case used Boeing and why should Boeing fall for the same trapt...in the end, yes, they are out to make a profit but Boeing shouldn't steep down to the low depths of being used by a carrier if they don't feel like it and according to their press release about the 773ER, well...apparently their interest in making business with IB a solid reality isn't that important.
Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
Tavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 833 posts, RR: 5 Reply 25, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1796 times:
In fact if Boeing enters on the contest they won't be spening too much about them and has said before is surely IB would use Boeing to keep Airbus planes cheap, surely Boeing woulnd't take this business too seriously.
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