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Iberia To Replace MD-87/88  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4063 times:

German newspapers report Iberia to be in talks with Airbus and Boeing about a replacement of the MD-87/88 fleet. Both have already made offers. No timeframe for selection was mentioned.


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

Perhaps with the 4 over wing exit A319 in preparation for single class no frills services?

User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2203 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

They're talking to Boeing??? That must be a joke or a typo. I hope Boeing isn't stupid to waste T&E budgeting on a new sales campaign with IB. It'd be nice to see Airbus win one at full catalog prices.

User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3932 times:

Wingman

Any airframe manufacturer winning one at full catalogue price would be nice!


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7985 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

The question is how fast can Airbus make production line allocation available for IB to buy probably 15-20 A319's.

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

Is the A319 production line getting close to its maximum output rate of aircraft then?

Perhaps a B717/MD-95 may suit?


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2488 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

well its almost certain they will go for Airbus, since they have a big fleet of A320's and still receiving A321's as an 757 replacement. Although there is a chance they will go for boeing, they proved that they won't go for an All airbus fleet since they just leased 2 747-400's...




User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

I think this news is a rumour. The oldest MD-87 is from 1990 (14 years old) and I don't think IB can replace it in a short time. MD-88's from the former Aviaco were, more or less, delivered on same time. (1989-90)

But if IB changes it, for sure will be replaced by other A-319/20/21. Another thing is Iberia-Regional (Air Nostrum) which maybe MIGHT? see a B-717 or A-318 like a "candidate" for some routes.


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4115 posts, RR: 90
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3818 times:
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Here are some more details:

By Thomas Mulier
Nov. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Iberia Lineas Aereas de Espana SA,
Spain's largest airline, is considering replacing its mid-range
fleet after 2005, once the upgrade of its long-range aircraft is
finished.
Airplane makers have made presentations to Iberia, Jaime
Perez, Iberia's spokesman said in a phone interview today.
Formal talks haven't begun, he added.
El Mundo newspaper reported that Iberia received offers
from Boeing Co. and Airbus SAS to replace the fleet. The order
might be worth 1 billion euros ($1.3 billion), the newspaper
said, citing unidentified industry sources.
``This is an ongoing process, it's normal that they make
presentations,'' Perez said. ``We don't yet have any date fixed
to start negotiations.''


So no decision until after upgrade of longe range fleet. That said, it should not prevent an order early next year to secure delivery slots. The timing works well in that it coincides with A32X Production Increase and the Manufacturers have already made initial presentations. I'd be interested to see how Boeing approached this after the A346/B773ER Competition and with the large number of A32X already in service with IB surely Commonality works in Airbus' favour for this order.

Regards



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

Hey

Thank god!! Those mad dogs make so much noise when flying over Madrid :LOL:

no no, just kidding. I love those mad-dogs, and would hate to see them go.


Maybe they should just put there MDs into there new "Express" airline which has yet to start.



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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7435 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3668 times:


Given that they have a lot of Airbus A32X already I suspect that they will stay with Airbus.

If Boeing decide not to bid, it can only increase the likelihood.

Will Embraer be bidding.


User currently offlineMADtoCAE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

IF they go for boeing,what plane would they get?

User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3600 times:

After Boeing came out after the A346 loss and said what they did about Iberia, I would be surprised if Iberia even visited Chicago at all this time around.
I love me some Boeings, but honestly... talk about burning bridges!


User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8484 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3580 times:
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Good news indeed!

I flew and IB M87 & M88 last week,both were very tatty and well worn machines.

The interiors of both really needed a good refurb.



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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

At a certain point there were rumours that Iberia would "donate" part of the MD87 fleet to Air Nostrum, but I don´t think ANS would be to keen to take them over and prefers to get new CRJ700´s or Q400´s from Canada instead.

User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6707 posts, RR: 32
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3419 times:

I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB. I think Iberia management has already shown in the past that their only purpose in asking for an offer from Boeing is to try to get Airbus to come down on price, despite public statements that they don't intend to rely on a single supplier. Then again, it would be amusing to see them low-ball an offer to Iberia to try to stick it to Airbus' on its profit margin for the order. Iberia ordering Boeing narrowbodies is about as likely as Southwest ordering 250 A320's.

User currently offlineBullpitt From Spain, joined Mar 2004, 871 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

ScottB
Boeing will sell their aircraft to the Devil himself if the offer was good. So believe me if IB invites them to present their goods, Boeing will be in MAD "mucho rapido amigo" Big grin



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 960 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3357 times:

Then again, it would be amusing to see them low-ball an offer to Iberia to try to stick it to Airbus' on its profit margin for the order. Iberia ordering Boeing narrowbodies is about as likely as Southwest ordering 250 A320's.

And AerBerlin ordered 60 A320 when they were an established 737NG customer... Boeing might be in the mood to reciprocate to Airbus.... especially with all the 737 orders they've been losing....


User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 3214 times:

I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB.

ScottB:

I gotta go with AA737-823 on this one.
After Boeing came out after the A346 loss and said what they did about Iberia, I would be surprised if Iberia even visited Chicago at all this time around.

I think it was very unprofessional for Boeing to do something like that. In the world of business, negotiating deals is a big part and in ANY aspect of negotiating deal, you will always try to get a deal that is economically viable. That means going back and forth between vendors and getting a price that is good for you.

Boeing loses business to Airbus and vice-versa everyday. For Boeing to go and make this deal public was very distasteful. They are just sour because they lost a potentially large business deal. Its unfortunate, but it happens.






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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

i think iberia would look awesome in some 737-600 and -700 paint jobs, perhaps the -800 too would work for them, it would be a mixed fleet and i know it's not going to happen, which is why i wrote it  Smile


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

I agree with others in that I'd like to see Boeing refuse to make an offer to IB.

I understand you are not intending to work for a private enterprise? Otherwise I would strongly suggest you reconsider your statement. False pride has often led to the downfall of seemingly dominant companies.




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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 835 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2888 times:

Well in fact i don't think that boeing would lose and oportunity to sell their planes, anyway it's almost sure that in this case IB will go Airbus.


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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

The only product that Boeing would have to offer would be the 717-200 as it proves to be the best in its class (100 seaters). The 737-600/700 clash too much with their established fleet of A32X, but I really don't see IB going Boeing, they just wanna try to get some competition going so that they can get some more Airbus at a cheaper, more competitive price.
Regards



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User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6707 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2815 times:

"I understand you are not intending to work for a private enterprise?"

Thanks, but I already work for a profitable private enterprise. Certain customers simply aren't worth having, as you well should know if you work for a private enterprise. To some degree, they'd have to look at Iberia's RFP and see how much it was stacked in Airbus' favor; if they're looking for something similar in capacity to the A32X fleet there's really no point in wasting the resources of your sales team on a bid when it is virtually certain that Airbus will get the order. If you'd have to sell at an extremely low price and do something uneconomical like buy out their Airbus fleet, it's a big money-loser.

For Boeing to have issued a press release like the one they did, they must have felt that Iberia had not been negotiating in good faith. And it is indeed sometimes better to tell a customer that you're not interested in their business.


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2816 times:


I agree with ScottB, the customer is not always correct. IB in this case used Boeing and why should Boeing fall for the same trapt...in the end, yes, they are out to make a profit but Boeing shouldn't steep down to the low depths of being used by a carrier if they don't feel like it and according to their press release about the 773ER, well...apparently their interest in making business with IB a solid reality isn't that important.



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User currently offlineTavong From Colombia, joined Jul 2001, 835 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (9 years 8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2725 times:

In fact if Boeing enters on the contest they won't be spening too much about them and has said before is surely IB would use Boeing to keep Airbus planes cheap, surely Boeing woulnd't take this business too seriously.

Gus
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