Garuda From Indonesia, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 584 posts, RR: 4 Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6708 times:
Dear A.netters,
I'll be in USA during Christmas/New Year's time. On the way back to Singapore, I need to catch NW017 from JFK, which leaves at 11.45AM. The thing is the day before, I'll be still in Washington DC. I have booked (using my Evergreen Club miles) CO2582 which will arrive in EWR at 7.47AM on the same day.
The question is whether 4 hours is enough to transfer between EWR and JFK? Bearing in mind that I still have to check in again and go through the security check in JFK. And how will the weather be in January? Any significant chance on weather delay around Washington-New Jersey-New York area? And what will be the fastest way to transfer between EWR and JFK?
Wbmech From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6664 times:
Good luck! If it's a weekday, you will be lucky to get to JFK by 10am. On an average weekday, at that time, it takes anywhere from 1hr to 3hrs to drive direct to JFK. Then take into account baggage claim, check-in. Car rental time, or bus transer time etc.. I would not chance that short of a connection time. The only chance you might have is by taking NJTransit into the city and transferring to the subway system to transfer to Airtrain. A lot connections, but at that time it might be possible.
Aa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6633 times:
Good ole NYC area connections...Hope you make it, the LGA-JFK transfer is scary enough, trying to make a 2 hr connection. Not super familiar with EWR, only been there once for a layover to LIS. Good luck!
PyroGX41487 From United States, joined Oct 2004, 276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6630 times:
Best bet would be to have a look at NJTransit and LIRR train service between EWR and JFK.
You can take any train Eastbound out of EWR to New York Penn Station, (15-20 mins), then the LIRR out of Penn to Jamaica (15-30 mins), then the Air Train (15 mins). The commute, including baggage time and check in should leave you two hours, and and an additional hour and a half of buffer time.
So, thats NJTransit from Newark -Penn
LIRR from Penn to Jamaica
Then Airtrain to Kenndy. Its MUCH cheaper than a cab and should cost you a total of $20.
Need any URLS or advice, E-mail me @ Spinner_Robertz@juno.com and i can time the trip in a much more Down-to-the-minute fashion. I've done this before!
TWFirst From Vatican City State (Holy See), joined Apr 2000, 6024 posts, RR: 57 Reply 4, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6607 times:
Actually, YES, you could do it no problem.
From Newark airport, take NJTransit train to New York Penn Station.
At Penn Station, get on the New York City Subway "A" Train (make sure it says "Far Rockaway" to JFK.
Wjcandee From United States, joined Jun 2000, 3743 posts, RR: 19 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6583 times:
That's not a huge amount of time, but it should be doable. Unless, of course, you're delayed coming into Newark, which happens a lot, or you hit traffic in the NYC area, which happens a lot, or the fact that you're arriving during "rush hour" car traffic, or there's a big line at security, which happens a lot. But, cross your fingers a bit and it should be doable.
Hopefully, you won't be waiting on checked bags. Go straight from the CO airplane to the taxi stand. That'll take about 15 minutes from the door of the airplane. Wait in line for taxi, another 15 minutes. Get in the taxi. It'll now be about 8:15am. You have 3.5 hours.
There are a couple of ways the taxi can go. One is the New Jersey turnpike to the Goethals bridge, across Staten Island to the Belt Parkway, to JFK. On this route, you'll be going in the opposite direction of commuter traffic on the Turnpike, but *with* the commuter traffic on Staten Island. Once you get to the Belt Parkway, it will be opposite to the commuter traffic, but the Belt is heavy in both directions a lot of the time. It will be at least 8:30 by the time you hit Staten Island, though, so it won't have too terribly long to go until the end of rush hour.
Another possibility would be to take the Turnpike to one of the Hudson River crossings (e.g. Lincoln Tunnel, Holland Tunnel, GW Bridge), go through Manhattan, and across Queens or Brooklyn from that direction. Problem with that is that you'd be going into Manhattan right at peak commuting time and you'd get hung up in Manhattan.
The cab will be very expensive.
An alternative would be to take the Newark Airport monorail to the NJ transit station on the Northeast Corridor rail line, switch to whatever the first NJ transit train stops there, go one stop to Penn Station, Manhattran, walk downstairs to the Long Island Rail Road, get on the first train to Jamaica, Queens (all LIRR lines except the Port Washington Line stop at Jamaica), change at Jamaica to the JFK Airtrain. This should be cheaper than a cab, and not subject to the vicissitudes of traffic, but, let's see how long that would take. 15 minutes from door of plane to monorail, 15 minutes wait for monorail and getting NJ Transit ticket at monorail station through to Penn Station, 15 minutes to NJ Transit station, 20 min or less wait for train, 30 minutes on train to Penn Station, 15 minutes to change trains, 20 minutes to Jamaica, 5 minutes to change trains to Airtrain, 20 minutes to terminal. So, that looks like about 145 minutes, or two hours and 25 minutes to do it by train. Of course, with quicker transfers than I have allowed, it could be much faster. There's a thing at www.panynj.com (port authority) on how to take the Airtrain with transfers between the two airports. DON'T take the subway. Dangerous and slow.
This all assumes that you're traveling on a weekday. Weekends will be very different, both with regard to auto traffic and the frequency of rail service.
Petazulu From United States, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6576 times:
You should have no problem- as trains are pretty much immune to snow (a frequent occurence around here in January). You will have a total of 4 trains to take, So you will really get a chance to know the 'infrastructure' of New York. The goo thing for you is that you will literally get door-to-door service to/from each terminal. I would make sure you can carry all of your belongings comfortably 300 yards in one stretch as there is a wee bit of walking to be done at Penn Station.
A cab would be far more expensive and may be subject to weather/traffic delays. Go with the train unless you really can't carrry your bags.
Wjcandee From United States, joined Jun 2000, 3743 posts, RR: 19 Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6572 times:
Do NOT, repeat DO NOT, repeat DO NOT take the NYC subway, either the A train to Howard Beach (which goes through some very dangerous areas -- a PRIEST was slashed on the train in those areas a couple of years ago during the day) or the subway to Jamaica, which takes forever. Take the LIRR. It's much safer, it goes every few minutes, it's only 20 minutes to Jamaica, 5 minutes transfer to Airtrain and 15 minutes on Airtrain.
Jayhup From United States, joined Jan 2002, 382 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6529 times:
Definitely do NJ Transit from EWR to New York's Penn Station (don't get off in New Jersey's Penn Station) and then the LIRR to Jamaica to the JFK Airtrain.
Most trains (but not all so be careful) stop at Jamaica so there is good frequency out Penn Station.
Make sure you buy a ticket for both NJT and the LIRR before you get on the trains to save yourself a couple of bucks. The Airtrain ticket can be purchased once you get to the Airtrain terminal so no worries there.
If you hit it right it shouldn't take more than 2 to 3 hours total and JFK T4 isn't that crowded in the middle of the afternoon.
FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2581 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6486 times:
The best thing about NJ Transit and the LIRR for this scenario is that, unlike the subway, they run on fixed timetables and are usually on time (or close enough). So, if you go to their websites, you can plan out the exact connections and see how much time you'll have.
Assuming your first flight is on time, though, and that you're comfortable navigating Penn Station fairly quickly, I don't think it will be too much of a problem. By the way, here's a tip: if you find yourself waiting on a long line to buy a ticket and your train (NJT or LIRR) is about to leave, just get on the train--you can buy your ticket onboard for a few extra dollars. Better that than missing your flight!
Mikephotos From United States, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6456 times:
Do NOT, repeat DO NOT, repeat DO NOT take the NYC subway, either the A train to Howard Beach (which goes through some very dangerous areas -- a PRIEST was slashed on the train in those areas a couple of years ago during the day) or the subway to Jamaica, which takes forever. Take the LIRR. It's much safer, it goes every few minutes, it's only 20 minutes to Jamaica, 5 minutes transfer to Airtrain and 15 minutes on Airtrain.
Absoulte B.S.. Ignore this comment about the A-train. Sure, it's a looong ride and can be delayed at times but it is not VERY DANGEROUS. I'm on the A-train 5 days a week, 1.25 hours each way per day and what do you know, I've never been slashed, bothered, raped or mugged. The A-train is so busy (crowded) most of the time, even late into the night it's rare that you'd be bothered at all as long as you have common sense and an ounce of street smarts. And yes, I even take the A-train late at night sometimes and have done so for 10+ years...I'm still kickin'
Your chances of getting slashed on the A is about the same as your Airtrain car falling off the rail.
However, with that said, there are quicker (but more $) ways of doing the NYC to JFK commute that I would recommend since you're on limited time.
TWFirst From Vatican City State (Holy See), joined Apr 2000, 6024 posts, RR: 57 Reply 11, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6436 times:
I complete agree with Mikephotos... It's nonsense that because there was a killing two years ago that no one should ride the A Train anymore... especially frustrating to read someone directing scare tactics towards foreigners. I too have ridden the A Train to/from JFK several times, including in the middle of the night... it's very safe. Wjcandee sounds like an old woman.
Ual747 From United States, joined Dec 1999, 6509 posts, RR: 36 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6397 times:
I did VS from LHR-JFK, then LGA-DFW on AA. I had no problem transferring to my next flight. I think I had about 3 hours. Plus, you aren't going to have the hassle of customs, so you should have plenty of time. I came back from LHR to JFK and had to go through customs, and I still made it to LGA in plenty of time for my AA flight to DFW.
Mikephotos From United States, joined Oct 2000, 2923 posts, RR: 62 Reply 15, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6343 times:
90% of the people who are afraid of the A-train probably have never been on it. Flyguy1...with you going 4x a week and me 5x I'm sure we've been in the same car at one time or another...I'll have to start wearing a "Airliners.net" hat
On the way back to Singapore, I need to catch NW017 from JFK, which leaves at 11.45AM..
Johannes, let me know what day you are doing NW017 JFK-NRT and if possible I'll try to get a shot of your departure. Here's a shot of NW017 taken a few weeks ago:
Jacobin777 From United States, joined Sep 2004, 13323 posts, RR: 68 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6325 times:
here is a link:
http://www.panynj.gov/aviation/connfram.HTM
gives all the info:
From EWR to JFK
Service Approximate Frequency & Travel Time
Airporter (Princeton Airporter-www.goairporter.com)
1-800-385-4000 or (609) 587-6600
$24 Frequent service
7:00 AM to 5:00 PM
75 - 90 minutes
AirTrain Newark to NJ Transit or Amtrak to 34th St/NY Penn Station. Connect to NYC Subway A Train to Howard Beach. Connect to AirTrain JFK to terminals.
Newark Airport Express to Park Avenue and 120 E 41st Street near Grand Central Terminal in Manhattan. Connect to New York Airport Service Express Bus for JFK.
Newark Airport Express Bus: (212) 964-6233 or (908) 354-3330
New York Airport Service Express Bus: (718) 875-8200
Newark Airport Express Bus: $12
New York Airport Service Express Bus: $13 AirTrain: 6 AM to 11 PM - Every 4-8 minutes; 11 PM to 6 AM - Every 12 minutes
Newark Airport Express Bus: 4:00 AM to 11:00 PM
30 - 60 minutes
New York Airport Service Express Bus: 5:00 AM to 10:00 PM
45 - 65 minutes
Newark Airport Express to Port Authority Bus Terminal 42nd Street and 8th Avenue in Manhattan. Connect to New York Airport Service Express Bus for JFK.
Newark Airport Express: (212) 964-6233 or (908) 354-3330
New York Airport Service Express Bus: (718) 875-8200
Newark Airport Express Bus: $12
New York Airport Service Express Bus: $13
Newark Airport Express: 30 - 45 minutes
New York Airport Service Express Bus: 5:20 AM to 8:40 PM
65 - 85 minutes
Taxi (Flat Rate)
Go to Uniformed Taxi Dispatcher
$60.00 plus tolls On demand
75 - 90 minutes
Private Limousine/Van Service
Go to Ground Transportation Information Counter in Airport Baggage Claim Area
Prices vary On demand
75 - 90 minutes
STT757 From United States, joined Mar 2000, 12004 posts, RR: 54 Reply 17, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6308 times:
"At Penn Station, get on the New York City Subway "A" Train (make sure it says "Far Rockaway" to JFK."
Do not take the A train from Manhattan to JFK, take the LIRR from PENN station. The A train will take over an hour (75 Minutes) and it's not easy with luggage.
Take NJ Transit from EWR to NY Penn, at NY Penn find the LIRR concourse and board any LIRR train for "Jamaica". Transfer there to JFK Airtrain.
Should take you a little less than two hours.
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Timz From United States, joined Sep 1999, 5350 posts, RR: 6 Reply 18, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6221 times:
If you do take the trains, you can decide how to get from NY Penn (Manhattan) to JFK just as well as anyone else can. The choices are LIRR to Jamaica ($4.75, maybe 22 minutes) or the E train to Jamaica Center (the same place, just underground; $2, maybe 45 minutes) or the A train to Howard Beach ($2, 50-55 minutes). Then $5 more (from any of those) for the Airtrain to JFK. My guess is there's no advantage to the A train instead of the E-- Jamaica is several kilometers from the terminals, but the Airtrain does maybe 90 km/hr above the Van Wyck and gets to terminal 4 in maybe 13-14 minutes? from Jamaica.
(on the other hand, the A train does part of its run above ground, which is a minor plus.)
Hz747300 From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Mar 2004, 1442 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6207 times:
Don't take the Subway to JFK, take LIRR, it's so much faster. If you took a cab, it would be about 1hr 30min, you would go across the Goethels Bridge, then the Verazzano Bridge to the Belt Parkway, then direct to JFK. That ride on the belt is quick, but about 15 miles and always slows around Sheepshead Bay. There is usually traffic on the Goethels, but the Verazzano is generally fine.
GuyBetsy1 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 817 posts, RR: 8 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6142 times:
To GARUDA: I presume that your NW ticket originated from SIN to JFK and that you're now using the return sector to fly back to Singapore? But you're going to be in Washington DC right? I think the EASIEST way is to reissue your NW ticket so that you will now depart from Washington DC (instead of JFK) to Singapore.
SIN-JFK and return from WAS to SIN should be the same fare. If you still haven't left for the US yet, I suggest trying this option. Don't bother with transits - especially at NY airports.
Spacecadet From United States, joined Sep 2001, 2038 posts, RR: 19 Reply 21, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 6075 times:
Absoulte B.S.. Ignore this comment about the A-train. Sure, it's a looong ride and can be delayed at times but it is not VERY DANGEROUS. I'm on the A-train 5 days a week, 1.25 hours each way per day and what do you know, I've never been slashed, bothered, raped or mugged
I completely, completely agree. I have done the A train to JFK many times and the biggest problem I ever had was a three hour delay due to a breakdown! (This was back in the early 1980's when the system was at its worst.) The A is no different than any other line and there are always a ton of other people on it.
Statistically, the subway is even a bit safer than the street these days. But both the subway and the streets are safe. I don't know who this person is trying to scare people on this forum - he says he's from NYC, but I don't see how anyone from NYC could really be scared of the A train. Maybe he's new to these parts? (NYC I mean.)
There are better reasons not to take the A train, though, the biggest just being that it's a long, annoying ride with a whole lot of stops, and then you've still gotta transfer to the bus at the end of it. Take the LIRR and then the AirTrain.
If I'm gonna add my own "DO NOT, repeat DO NOT" to this discussion, it'll be to say DO NOT attempt to take a cab or a bus. You are getting in to EWR just before rush hour, and you will likely get out of the airport right during rush hour, in the middle of winter, with potentially a whole bunch of snow on the ground (and potentially more falling), and you'll be travelling at least part way in the same direction as everybody else. None of this is conducive to a desirable traffic situation. Honestly, under most circumstances 4 hours is plenty of time to transfer between airports by any method, but at rush hour during the dead of winter you are definitely taking a much bigger chance by driving. Take the train - NJ Transit to Penn Station, LIRR to Jamaica and then the AirTrain. Yes, it's annoying that there's no train going direct from EWR to JFK, but this is New York - practically everything about this city is annoying in some way or other.
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Garuda From Indonesia, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 584 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5997 times:
Thank you all for the replies...
To answer some of the questions:
- Mikephotos, my flight on NW017 will be on 4 January 2005
- GuyBetsy1, yes I did try to re-issue my ticket via Washington, but unfortunately all flights from IAD and DCA to SIN are closed, I couldn't even get into the waiting list
From the replies above, I reckon my best bet is to take NJ Transit from EWR to NY Penn, connect to LIRR for "Jamaica". Then transfer there to JFK Airtrain.
Another question, I'm thinking of forking out an extra $60 for a IAD-JFK flight, but the earliest possible will arrive at 9.44AM at T7. So will 2 hours connection (Domestic to International) between T7 and T4 at JFK is possible as well?
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 5994 times:
I did this once - and only once - and I had 5 hours. What a goat rope. I don't envy you at all. I flew in to EWR on CO and had to depart JFK on LH. Barely enough time, really. I took an airport limo from EWR to JFK.
I wish you luck. You'll need it unless you have a Star-Trekish Transporter in your pocket that can beam you form one airport to the other, you'll need every minute.
FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2581 posts, RR: 7 Reply 25, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5933 times:
Personally, I'd take a 2-hour domestic-to-international connection at JFK over a 4-hour EWR-to-JFK connection any day. Fewer variables = fewer things that can go wrong! Unless it falls below the minimum connecting time, but you can check that easily enough on Expedia.
Especially now with the Airtrain running between terminals, this seems like a no-brainer. Unless you're looking for a tour of the NYC transit system...
However, I would point out that you could also take the 6 a.m. flight out of DCA on Eagle, or the 7 a.m. flight out of IAD on Independence Air, which get into JFK at 7:05 and 8:17 respectively. Either of those would seem like a better option...in fact, I-Air even uses T-4, same as NW! Are there no seats available, or is it very expensive on the date you're traveling?
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26 Mikephotos: - Mikephotos, my flight on NW017 will be on 4 January 2005 Or darn, that's a weekday and I'm back to work that day...can't do it..sorry. Maybe one of
27 PyroGX41487: Yeah, I'd hit the domestic transfer. Much less hassel
28 BigOrange: See if you can get a refund of your miles then purchase a one way on Independence Air or UA to JFK. If you fly Indy Air you will arrive in T4 which is
29 Wjcandee: Gee, I thought personal insults were off limits on this board... Regarding my comments about the A train, here's my thinking, as a virtually lifelong
30 GuyBetsy1: Hi Johannes "GARUDA" : You said " Another question, I'm thinking of forking out an extra $60 for a IAD-JFK flight, but the earliest possible will arri
31 Petazulu: Garuda, Just looked at www.flyi.com and you can book a flight for $53 on a 7am flight IAD-JFK that will get you there by 8:17am. THIS is the way to go
32 Mikephotos: Bill, no one said to get off in East New York. Taking the A and walking the streets of East New York at 3am is comparing two different things. Indeed,
33 FoxBravo: Yes, Petazulu is right--this is definitely the way to go! As I mentioned above, you won't even need to change terminals. You can just relax in the com
34 Mikephotos: Accordingly, I think it's a fair comment, regardless of the experience of you airport workers who commute by subway, that a foreign passenger with lug
35 Spacecadet: Moreover, nobody can dispute that all of our subway lines run through both very-safe and very-dangerous neighborhoods, and that the same train can be
36 Wjcandee: Mike and Space: Sigh. We obviously just disagree and it's not worth further debate, as I guess I can't convince you that a tourist with luggage and mo
37 BG001: Garuda, I would simply change my flight and catch a flight into LGA or JFK. You have just about enough time to commute between those two airports on a
38 Mikephotos: Bill Point taken and lets just agree that we disagree BTW my 1.25 hr commute is from several stops before Howard Beach to the city and back each night
39 Garuda: Thx all!! I think Independence Air is the best option now, and I like to try new airlines as well Anyone can tell me what's the plane they use on IAD-
40 Wjcandee: Garuda: You can look at www.flyi.com for information, but the timetable suggests that the A319s will be used to the Southwest and West, so that leaves
41 Wjcandee: Mike: That sounds fair to me. I'm also embarrassed that I didn't pick up that you were commuting to and from the City rather than to and from the airp
42 Mikephotos: Anyway, we have certainly ventilated the public transit issue for anyone looking for information about how best to get to the NYC airports! Now that I
43 Aerofan: Do NOT, repeat DO NOT, repeat DO NOT take the NYC subway, either the A train to Howard Beach (which goes through some very dangerous areas -- a PRIEST
44 7E72004: I have ot agree...anything can happen anywhere...I live in Indianapolis and people get hurt/killed..it is just a part of life. You just have to act li
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