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AA 173 LGW-RDU Cancelled?  
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7095 times:

If AA uses a dedicated 777 RDU-LGW-RDU, how are they going to run AA174 RDU-LGW? Anyone know why it was cancelled today?


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User currently offlineB777fa From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

The flight wasnt cancelled today (22nd) . The aircraft is being ferried into RDU from DFW and will arrive RDU at 4.06pm.

User currently offlineB777fa From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6944 times:

OK now I understand !!!! Dont know why the LGW-RDU leg was cancelled..Ill try to find out....But to keep the RDU-LGW leg from cancelling they are bringing in a plane from DFW.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6909 times:

ahhh.. okay.. usually the RDU-LGW-RDU flight is on a dedicated flagship 777.. perhaps there was some technical issues with the T7 at Gatwick.. so will there be 2 flights into RDU to compensate (meaning, one plane to arrive from Gatwick to be sent back to DFW and the other usual T7)? How does that usually work?


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User currently offlineB777fa From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Flight cancelled due to a problem with the R/H (#2) engine...Maintenance is fixing it in LGW.As to not cancel the RDU-LGW leg tonight they are ferrying in a 777 from DFW. The plane once fixed could be ferried back to DFW from LGW but usually it just enters service again.I guess one of them will have to switched off the route soon, Just depends what they do with the 777 at LGW.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32571 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6737 times:

ahhh.. okay.. usually the RDU-LGW-RDU flight is on a dedicated flagship 777.

It is not on a dedicated aircraft. The plane flies DFW-LGW-RDU-LGW-DFW.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Really? I didn't know that.. I was chatting with a few of the 777 pilots who flew the RDU-LGW-RDU and they said that it was a dedicated A/C... The pilots were based out of DFW, and they F/A were based out of RDU.. who knew? Course I could have misunderstood them..

[Edited 2004-11-22 22:58:16]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32571 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6628 times:

Really? I didn't know that.. I was chatting with a few of the 777 pilots who flew the RDU-LGW-RDU and they said that it was a dedicated A/C... The pilots were based out of DFW, and they F/A were based out of RDU.. who knew? Course I could have misunderstood them..

After AA 174 does RDU-LGW, it turns around and does AA 51, LGW-DFW. AA 50 (DFW-LGW) turns and does AA 173.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6390 times:

I have heard the story that the front of the RDU-LGW flight is full and thus AMR doesn't care if the back is near empty, but according to the British traffic figures RDU-LGW has a pretty low traffic, barely justifying a 763. With AMR deferring deliveries of 777's, I bet RDU-LGW gets a smaller plane the minute AMR needs a 777 for Asian growth.


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

>I have heard the story that the front of the RDU-LGW flight is full and thus AMR doesn't care if the back is near empty, but according to the British traffic figures RDU-LGW has a pretty low traffic, barely justifying a 763. With AMR deferring deliveries of 777's, I bet RDU-LGW gets a smaller plane the minute AMR needs a 777 for Asian growth. <

The companies in the RDU area actually pay AA to run the route. They guarentee it breaks even before AA sells a single ticket. AA can then sell 1 discounted Y ticket and make money. Still, they get a decent number of people in the front and also connect some people into the back, which take pressure off their other London flights.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Ok, thanks for the explanation. But still, when AMR needs a 777 for Guangzhou or wherever, RDU will learn to love the 763.


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5351 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6354 times:

FWIW, the Brits report in:
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data/200408/Table_12_1_Intl_Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis.pdf

that RDU-LGW traffic in August, the best month of the year, was 9,657 or 156 pax per flight - pathetic for a 777, regardless of subsidy.



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6334 times:

>that RDU-LGW traffic in August, the best month of the year, was 9,657 or 156 pax per flight - pathetic for a 777, regardless of subsidy.<

AA holds 224 on the atlantic 777. That means this is running at a 69.6% load factor. Not great, but the plane is already paid for. There might be some rule in the deal that AA has to run the 777 on the flight. Besides, the costs are taken care of, so it does not matter



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

AA holds 224 on the atlantic 777. That means this is running at a 69.6% load factor.

...add to that the fact that Glaxo puts a LOT of cargo onto this route, another contributing factor to why the flight has long since been upgraded from 763ER.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport_data/200408/Table_12_1_Intl_Air_Pax_Traffic_Route_Analysis.pdf

Interesting to note how relatively weak some hubs (namely CVG and CLE) are in traffic... particularly considering double (albeit, limited on the Euro end) feed.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6217 times:

Ok, thanks for the explanation. But still, when AMR needs a 777 for Guangzhou or wherever, RDU will learn to love the 763.

Actually, RDU did love the 763 when it was on the RDU-LGW flight. But why the upgrade to the 777? Well, the increase in first class was one reason. If Glaxo was going to guarantee first class was bought, why not get the most money? Second, the belly needed the expansion. If AA had something larger than the 777, I bet it would be flying RDU-LGW. They aren't stupid. They know if they had a 380, they would put it on the route cause regardless of how many people are on board.. it would make money.

Also, the RDU-LGW flight does not get a lot of connecting traffic like the other flights do. This flight is a backup for the backup flight. Therefore, a lot of the passengers on board are going to RDU area. Considering that usally coach is at least half full, Business is full, and First class is paid for... I think that AMR is one smart cookie. So I don't think RDU-LGW will be downgraded anytime soon.. unless GSK leaves the triangle.



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

Not to be a naysayer here, but I don't think AA would use a 380 (if they had some) on the RDU-LGW route even if First was paid for. If they can't fill a full 777 economy section consistently, just imagine what the 380 would look like. An entirely empty second deck perhaps? Don't feel bad though because the 380 will without question be sent to only the premier international gateway cities...SFO, LAX, MIA, JFK, LHR, NRT, SYD, FRA, etc. Unfortunately mid-sized gateways probably will never see that beast in scheduled service unless traffic picks up dramatically.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

Hehehe... it was just a joke MSYtristar... my point was that if they could send a larger plan that could hold more cargo and still be paid for before flight, they would... the more first/business seats they have.. the more profit they would make.

and yes, the only way RDU will get a 380 will either be a carrier diversion or FedEX diversion of GSO.



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User currently offline5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

AA holds 224 on the atlantic 777. That means this is running at a 69.6% load factor. Not great, but the plane is already paid for. There might be some rule in the deal that AA has to run the 777 on the flight. Besides, the costs are taken care of, so it does not matter

You are mistaken in thinking that their aircrafts have been paid for. AA's LTD currently stands at $13.135 Billion; this they did not incur by simply installing PTV's in some of their aircrafts!



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

You are mistaken in thinking that their aircrafts have been paid for. AA's LTD currently stands at $13.135 Billion; this they did not incur by simply installing PTV's in some of their aircrafts!

I think what was meant was that the flight is already making a profit, not that the A/C was already paid for.



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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2999 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

What are the connections like at RDU on to other US destinations with AA?

Reason I ask is that I would love to go on a long haul flight where I have a good chance of getting the seat next to me in Y empty allowing me to stretch out!



User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

From RDU, one can travel to:

AUS, CMH, LGA, JFK, MIA, DFW, PVD, ORD, BDL, MCO, DCA, LGW, PHL

Edit: Add STL

[Edited 2004-11-23 15:55:09]

[Edited 2004-11-23 15:57:40]


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User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Out of curiosity, why wouldn't Glaxo get a private-air BBJ or something similar to wht Lufthansa does at EWR? Seems like it would be more cost effective?

Just a thought. How much cargo is actually on this route? I mean- does anyone know what it would carry? Medicine is not very big or heavy in my experience.


User currently offlineJetblue From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

If I'm not mistaken AA's Atlantic 777s carry 245 pax. The Pacific configurations carry 224. I remember something in the talks of converting the Pacific to Atlantic for the greater capacity and one less "subtype" to ease schedule planning.

All I know is it sucked when I wanted to non-rev to London or Frankfurt and they switched to a Pacific configuration on us. Considering most of the flights were already slightly oversold, having 20 less seats was a nightmare!  Smile

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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26338 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (9 years 7 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

>You are mistaken in thinking that their aircrafts have been paid for. AA's LTD currently stands at $13.135 Billion; this they did not incur by simply installing PTV's in some of their aircrafts!<

What I meant is that the 777's costs are paid for completely on each flight it makes. Glaxo and the other Triad companies don't just make sure F is sold, they make sure all the costs are met in order to guarentee the plane goes every day. Sort of like having a scheduled corporate 777



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25 MasseyBrown : No wonder medicine costs so much.
26 Capital146 : Do AA offer good fares on this route to try and fill up Y or are they happy to keep their existing fare structure and fly with quite a few empty seats
27 MAH4546 : If I'm not mistaken AA's Atlantic 777s carry 245 pax. The Pacific configurations carry 224. I remember something in the talks of converting the Pacifi
28 N1120a : >No, the Atlantics carry 224 pax. The Pacific carry more pax, I believe it is 226.
29 DB777 : That British CAA report linked above is very interesting. It looks like the traffic from LGW to MIA is missing though. But look at traffic to MIA vers
30 MAH4546 : This is a perfect example of MIA's international traffic being seriously diluted by other airports. You totally ignore the fact that August is not pri
31 Post contains images Rdu777 : Hey guys! Been a long time. School... Petazulu, To answer your question, Glaxo did used to have a Gulfstream that would ferry people across the pond,
32 Flyboy36y : I've flewn RDU-LGW and I was told at the lounges on both sides of the pond that there is regular tourist trafic. Often, discount fares that are sold o
33 SegmentKing : Actually the companies in RDU take part in a revenue-guarantee for American, so its just not Glaxo who is involved. Basicly, at the end of the month s
34 Rdu777 : I was looking on www.flytecomm.com yesterday ( Tuesday) and noticed that flight 300P from Dallas was a 767. Could this have been because of the 777 st
35 MAH4546 : I've flewn RDU-LGW and I was told at the lounges on both sides of the pond that there is regular tourist trafic. Often, discount fares that are sold o
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