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Boeing: On Track For 200 7E7 Orders By End Of Year  
User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 15
Posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10481 times:


http://www.katu.com/business/story.asp?ID=72752

It's also negotiating the sale of 30 planes to Blue Panorama of Italy.

It is also in negotiations to sell a total of 30 planes to Blue, First Choice Airways of the United Kingdom and Primaris Airlines, a Las Vegas carrier.







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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10364 times:

These guys have got it wrong. 4 to Blue Panorama, 6 to First Choice and 20 to Primaris. Not 30 to Blue Panorama. Someone there certainly hasn't been doing their due diligence!


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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10314 times:

Nyc777

The only reason why I posted this is when I saw the inflated numbers, not sure if that was an error or some negotiations going on?



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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 10258 times:

It sounds like an error on the part of the TV station. Certainly didn't want to imply that you are stating these numbers!


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10082 times:


We all know what happend to Italian LCC....Volare springs to mind!

I wonder if Blue Panorama will survive!

Just my 0,02

Micke//SE  Big grin



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User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9988 times:

The speculation on these orders has now reached frenzied proportions. Firm the things up for God's sake, THEN talk about them.


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9881 times:

>We all know what happend to Italian LCC....Volare springs to mind!

I wonder if Blue Panorama will survive!<

Blue Panorama is more of a charter carrier, which is a little bit different. Also, they are not expanding like mad like Volare did and not using a stupid name like Volareweb.com Airlines.




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User currently offlineCb777 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1216 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9713 times:

Strong rumor that Qatar Airways is going to place an order.

User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9698 times:

Strong rumor that Qatar Airways is going to place an order.

Source? Are you an insider with knowledge...if so please share details.

It has already been widely reported on this forum of Qatar's interest in the 7E7.



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User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

Source? Are you an insider with knowledge...if so please share details.

See:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/boeingaerospace/2002086753_qatar10.html

Fyano.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 8491 times:

It's also negotiating the sale of 30 planes to Blue Panorama of Italy.

It is also in negotiations to sell a total of 30 planes to Blue, First Choice Airways of the United Kingdom and Primaris Airlines, a Las Vegas carrier.


The above is obviously a typo. The first sentence is the prefix of the second
sentence. So, they didn't get the numbers wrong or inflated them. They just
screwed up when typing them up. 4 to Blue, 6 for First Choice, and 20 for
Primaris, as Nyc777 correctly pointed out, equals 30. Mystery solved.

Regards,

Tony



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2220 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 8323 times:
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heres mondays press conference link

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/boeingaerospace/2002095205_boeing19.html



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User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1620 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

well possable orders from qatar (70) lot, finnair, aer lingus, and some chineese airline might push the numbers up


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7929 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

I don't see it. For one thing, we seem to be up to 30 orders, not 200! For another, half of these airlines don't seem to exist. "Primaris Airlines, a Las Vegas carrier"?! Er, you don't launch a new jet airliner program based on a few orders from some made-up airline based at Lost Wages. I don't think an order from a little UK holiday airline like First Choice is very prestigious either. Hey ho, the feeling's mutual, they've only ordered 6. To the last poster, Aer Lingus and Finnair are solid Airbus customers and they aren't going to budge - especially Finnair, who have never bought a Boeing aircraft...oh OK, a couple of 757s the airline don't seem to know what to do with.

Finally America's answer to the Mercure: the 7E7. What does the E stand for, the drug Boeing were collectively taking when this seemed like a good idea?



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User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7585 times:

I was thinking about this when reading an order annoucement the other day. When an airline orders X planes, and 'options' for Y, what should be read at face value?

User currently offlineBoeing4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7463 times:

Wow cedarjet, I didn't know it was possible for someone to have their head so far up their ass...yet you come in and prove it can be done.

For the record, how about you CHECK the actual number of 7E7 orders and provide the FULL list of customers...not the selective spin you're good at.

Also, open your eyes and read that 7E7 still hasn't even had its design freeze yet. 7E7 is a replacement for 767/757...if you had any brain in your head, you'd realize that the market for such aircraft outnumbers the market for 747/A380 size aircraft...whatever the Boeing boys are smokin', they should pass it around, we need more good ideas in the world.  Insane

I haven't seen an intelligent post on these boards in awhile...I'm starting to become worried for humanity. Wild predictions for 200+ orders by year end, and idiotic assessments that an aircraft targeted to replace a LARGE market of aging A300s, 767s, and 757s, is doomed to failure. Ay Caramba!

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User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Cedar,

Even though I do not totally disagree with you, apparently Primaris does
currently fly; granted with a small fleet.

And I'm sure people said the same thing when JetBlue ordered out of the...
well, blue  Big grin, a bucketload of A320s.

Tony



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User currently offlineMidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 7379 times:

Cedarjet

Your information is wrong, sorry, every airline that has ordered the 7E7, exist in one fashion or another. As far as orders for number of aircraft, I will just point out one, ANA, for an order for "50" 7E7's plus options.

Jetblue was an airline on paper only when they ordered the A320, & that was years ago, guess what, they are still flying.




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User currently offlineNyc777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5669 posts, RR: 48
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 7241 times:

Finally America's answer to the Mercure: the 7E7. What does the E stand for, the drug Boeing were collectively taking when this seemed like a good idea?

Well Airbus must be on the same "E" drug because they are sufficiently threatened by the 7E7 to seriously launch the A350.



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6988 times:


Cedarjet,
I bet you didn't say anything like this when B6 placed their initial Airbus order. Might you be biased??

P.S. ANA seems to be a pretty real carrier to me.



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4091 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

Finally America's answer to the Mercure: the 7E7. What does the E stand for, the drug Boeing were collectively taking when this seemed like a good idea?

Well, probably not. More likely it stands for the drugs you were on when you failed to see the enormous potential of the 7E7.  Big grin


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6260 times:

Leahy : The A330 continues to be popular and has picked up 13 new operators in the last sixteen months. That's the period when (Boeing has) been flogging the 7E7.

That seems a Concordeboy 'ish like statement.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Did they have contact? is it true?

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002099277_airbus24.html


User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2703 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6005 times:

Leahy : The A330 continues to be popular and has picked up 13 new operators in the last sixteen months. That's the period when (Boeing has) been flogging the 7E7.

"Did they have contact? is it true?"

If it's true, then Leahy appears to be the only one who knows about it. According to the latest statistics from Airbus, the A330 has garnered a grand total of 5 new customers since the beginning of 2003 (making it somewhat more than 16 months). Don't know where Leahy got 13, but I know his imagination is pretty good, so go figure.  Wink/being sarcastic

Regards,

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User currently offlineHamlet69 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2703 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5984 times:

Forgot to mention: according to a small blurb in a recent issue of The Seattle Times, the paper reports that they have now seen evidence at Boeing that the manufactuer has refundable deposits from 16 carriers covering 246 7E7's. This includes the aircraft already announced by ANA, ANZ, First Choice, Blue Panorama and Primaris.

It is open to debate how many of these deposits will turn into firm orders, however, it does give a little background to Boeing's stated goal of having 200 firm orders by 2005.

Regards,

Hamlet69



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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7929 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5935 times:

I'm still not seeing it. I apologise for ruffling feathers but I stand by everything I said except the naff remark about Boeing employees being on Ecstacy - I would think more Airbus workers are on it, it's a much more mainstream drug in Europe.

OK, so Air NZ and ANA are proper airlines, but they aren't going to launch a whole program - Air NZ only fly about half a dozen 767s (if that - didn't they buy A320s to replace the 767s?). I can see ANA going for the 7E7 admittedly, with the unswerving loyalty of the Japanese airlines to all things Boeing (does anyone know why this is?) that rivals even El Al.

If I seem pissed off with Boeing, it's not some anti-American obsession, it's real frustration with a once great company that built all the best planes - the 707, 727, and of course the 747. How could they lose the plot so spectacularly?! I don't want them to fail, I want them to stop deluding themselves that they're anything but a meagre shadow of their mighty former selves, with stupid press releases crowing about these meaningless options. Concorde generated refundable options from nearly ever airline you can name (see: http://www.concordesst.com/history/orders.html) and how many were built? Stop jerking around with stupid names (Dreamliner? What, are we five years old? Ugh) and stretching 1960s technology (737NG) and do what Airbus do: build state of the art airliners that will make money for customers.



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25 DfwRevolution : If I seem pissed off with Boeing, it's not some anti-American obsession, it's real frustration with a once great company that built all the best plane
26 Gigneil : Finally America's answer to the Mercure: the 7E7. What does the E stand for, the drug Boeing were collectively taking when this seemed like a good id
27 Aerokiwi : Wow Cedarjet, how on earth did you get such a high 'Respected User' rating? So you know, Air NZ has flown around 10 767-300s and 2-3 767-200s for the
28 AirbusDriver : I think Boeing is under estimating the advantage of fleet commonality. Here at Usair the company is very happy with it, most part including engine are
29 777ER : Aerokiwi From what I understand NZ will order more B7E7s to replace the four future leased B772ERs, when their lease expires
30 AvObserver : "I would be surprise to see any A330 operator switch to the 7E7 when the A350 is available." That would depend on their priorities. While it's less li
31 Cedarjet : Aerokiwi, I wouldn't be too upset about my high RR, it's only because I use correct spelling. My actual opinions are all nonsense. PS you confirmed wh
32 Brutie : Errrr Cedarjet, you might like to re-read Aerokiwi's post more carefully - the only 767s that the 320s replaced were some (3 IIRC) 762s which have now
33 BestWestern : Brutie... NZ will still be operating the 762 on SYD AKL routes next April. This topic is getting stupid. Were now talking about orders NZ may be makin
34 Cedarjet : Good post from Best Western. May I respectfully continue the following train of thought: "The only carriers ordering significant aircraft are low cost
35 Alessandro : Cedarjet, Iranair aren´t getting any airbuses, too many US components in the Airbuses. Perhaps airbus should design an non-US component airbus so the
36 Ken777 : Boeing may (or may not) get the full 200 signed by Dec 31st, but tight now is a great time to put US$ down on a 7E7, simply because it is cheaper than
37 StickShaker : ..."If I seem pissed off with Boeing, it's not some anti-American obsession, it's real frustration with a once great company that built all the best
38 Greaser : Cedarjet, Iranair aren´t getting any airbuses, too many US components in the Airbuses. Perhaps airbus should design an non-US component airbus so the
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