EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9108 times:
Did Delta Air Lines ever operate the A300 as stated in this picture?
A quick search of the data base would have shown you 63 'hits.'
In a post a few months ago on this same subject, someone stated that Delta when they took on the x-Pan Am aircraft, also excepted the outstanding aircraft on order. I think the previous poster said DAL only took on 3-4 'new' airframes.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
Tommy767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9064 times:
In 1991 when Pan Am shut down, Delta got Pan Am's JFK worldport and either most, or all of their A310s. Delta NEVER operated any EA A300s nor ever operated an A300 (although Pan Am DID have some.) Most of the A310s that went to Delta were supposedly in fine condition, having only been around 5-7 years give or take. Most of these A310s operated from the JFK hub to Europe.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5694 posts, RR: 22
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9015 times:
My recollection is that the word around Delta was that the A310s were not sufficiently reliable and were responsible for more delays than the airline was comfortable with. This is of course unscientific, but I recall several trips through Atlanta on DL where we pulled in next to an A310, and each time we disembarked into a group of peeved travellers whose flight was delayed by a mechanical. I also recall a lot of anecdotes (which, as we know, are probably overstated) to the effect that Delta's mechanics were shocked when they went across the Pond to inspect the mechanical condition of PanAm's fleet of European-based 727s, and DL passed on a lot of them. Again, this is just pilot and mechanic talk, but I suspect that there's some degree of truth to it.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8974 times:
Pan Am operated the A300 and A310 - when DL took over Pan Am's European routes, they also acquired the A310s (a mix of A310-200 and A310-300) models but did not take on the A300s. The A300s went on to other carriers worldwide over time including Carnival Airlines (PanAm used the A300s mainly on caribbean and latin american routes).
DL operated the ex-Pan Am A310s for serveral years and also acquired (via a leasing deal I think) 7 additional factory new A310-300s. The A310-300s operated routes mainly from JFK to Europe, but the A310s also operated transcon services from JFK to LAX and SFO, an odd flight from JFK to domestic destinations such as ATL and CVG, and possibily for a short time a couple of transatlantic flights out of CVG. Pan Am, and then Delta, even used the A310-200 on some transatlantic services (usually Brussels and Amsterdam) which was really pushing the range of the type.
By the mid 1990s, DL cut many of the ex-Pan AM services out of JFK in order to save costs - huge losses were being incurred. At the same time, a decision was made to eliminate the A310 from the fleet to standardize on the 763ER for most transatlantic services - management decided that it was not effecient to fly the 763 and A313 side by side so the A310s went - the A310-200s are with FedEx and the A310-300s went to airlines worldwide.
Starlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17380 posts, RR: 66
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8821 times:
What's the difference between a A300 and A310?.
Compared to the A300 (pre A300-600), the A310:
- Is shorter.
- Has longer range.
- Has a redesigned wing.
- Has a new stabilizer.
- Has fly by wire outboard spoilers. The first use of FBW in an Airbus.
- Has an EFIS flight deck.
Many of these changes were incorporated in the A300-600
"There are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."
767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8819 times:
That is correct, Delta did receive a few A310's directly from Airbus, but they were inherited orders from PANAM following their dismissal. Actually I believe 3 of Aerolineas Argentinas A310's are former DL operated.
Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
COAmiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8780 times:
CO and AA both seem to not like the airbus planes. Especially AA i am always hearing about how bat they are. due to the fact that most of the planes inherited by CO were in bad condition is that why Co retired them and never got more? is it possible that Co got a bad first impression of airbus and does not want any more. the reason that i ask this is because european carriers generally love airbus and american carriers generally dispise airbus (or at least that is the way it seems to me) (with CO expanding to many new routes will they get any airbusses?) also why did DL retire the airbus so quickly?
If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
Crosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2623 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8558 times:
Delta operated a total of 21 A310-200/-300s which were obtained from Pan Am, plus another 8 aircraft which Dela took delivery of directly from Airbus.
These were not inherited Pan Am orders though, all of Pan Am's 18 ordered A310s were delivered before they ceased operations.
A few of the aircraft Delta took delivery of straight from Airbus had been built for other airlines, but not taken up and placed into storage, however the rest of the aircraft appear to be from a direct order placed with Airbus via Wilmington Trust
Details of the aircraft delivered by Airbus as follows;
N835AB - built for Tarom (ntu)
N836AB - built for Aerocancun (ntu)
N837AB - built for TEA (ntu)
N839AB - built for TEA (ntu)
Delta never took delivery of N843AB as ordered - it was cancelled before rollout and delivered to PIA as AP-BEU
As a little aside, the 3 Pan Am A310s not delivered new from Airbus were originally built for Kuwait Airways in 1984, but appear to have been traded in to Boeing (for 767s?) before delivery - and it was from Boeing that Pan Am obtained these aircraft in 1986. If anyone knows any more about these aircraft, I'd be interested...
Blsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8509 times:
I had the pleasure of flying a Delta A310 from JFK to PDX in November of 1993 (or 1994 or 1995, can't remember). We departed and arrived on time, no delays. The aircraft was comfortable and clean.
This was my only (to date) A310 flight, and it was right before Thanksgiving (and my first trip to NYC). The plane had one of those "nifty" inflight progress screens that would show you the position on the map, airspeed, etc.
I'm sure Delta just wanted to standardize their fleet, and lease end dates were probably coming up.