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VS To Get A Nasty Surprise Soon?  
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9850 times:

VS is due to start its proposed LHR-HKG-SYD route on 12/8/04.




IINM, they still haven't gotten final clearance, from all parties involved, to op this route...

...could they find themselves having to refund scores of international tickets days before offering a new flight, a la America West?



What gives?

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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9701 times:

They will get final clearance in time........don you worry, C-boy!

Micke//SE Big grin



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User currently offlineBtblue From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 578 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9663 times:

I doubt it.

They know what they are doing and I would imagine somewhere down the line somebody has given them the nod. Now it's a matter of procedure before they commence flying the route.

I'm sure they'll be flying it next month.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9641 times:

Dont be so sure; it's really not that uncommon to see an airline barred from offering an international service at the [relative] last minute.

We've seen it recently with Air Canada and America West.




........lest we all forget that a decision on a foreign airline operating LHR-USA is somewhat tied to VS's final clearance as well.


User currently offlineHz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1647 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9622 times:
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What happened to America West? Did Costa Rica screw them?




Keep on truckin'...
User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13250 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9555 times:
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Y'know, everyone here has been quick to dismiss what C-boy is saying, but it does happen to airlines occasionally.

Case in point? Alaska Airlines - definitely a top-notch air carrier - began offering nonstop YVR-SNA service, and went full-tilt to market it. Flights were booked up months in advance, and loads were good.

Just one little problem - even though customers pre-cleared U.S. customs in YVR, laws still required the presence of a U.S. Customs and Immigration facility at SNA for the service to operate.

Oops.

End result? AS had to change the flight to a one-stop YVR-SEA-SNA flight to comply with the laws, losing tons of business in the process and refunding many tickets from disgruntled customers as well.

A big SNAFU happening at VS isn't as far-fetched as some people might think. Odds are things will be fine, but you never know!



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26194 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9505 times:

Still, if VS does not get this clearance, then CX loses LHR-JFK.
And Fred, starting a lot of posts lately. That is a bit out of character. I thought the nasty surprise was going to be you spray painting over the 4 engines 4 long haul on the A340s with 2 engines 2 profitability. Big grin



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User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9410 times:

I hear they are operating this flight as a daily charter as they do not have the ok. There are adds all over Hong Kong for this flight, including one in Admiralty station that has a A346 running all the way down one wall.... a good 100meters!! (A340-1000  Smile/happy/getting dizzy )

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 9378 times:

Uh, what a disappointment. I was looking forward at some more bitching about the magnificent A346!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9209 times:

VS have more than enough business sense behind them to make sure they get the clearance in time. Nothing to worry about there!

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4281 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9152 times:

"VS have more than enough business sense behind them to make sure they get the clearance in time."

It has little to do with business sense per se - such "nasty" surprises have happened to the best of airlines.



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User currently offlineJeffDCA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

It has little to do with business sense per se - such "nasty" surprises have happened to the best of airlines.

I think not. Take 9/11 for example, thats one very nasty surprise, but because of VS's business sense, yup, that's right, business sense, they saw what was happening, and dropped all their non profitable routes (ORD for example), and well well well, look what happened, they came out strong!

Cheers,

Jeff


User currently offlineAirplane From Ecuador, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8958 times:

It could happen.
We have to see if they get the pax right of traffic between HKG-SYD-HKG, and not just the operational.
CX must be screaming up in the air here.


JP



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User currently offlineGecko From Singapore, joined Sep 2004, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8841 times:

Well it wasnt al that long ago that a similar thing happened to Virgin Blue.

They went around proclaiming a certain start date and I believe also pre-sold tickets (can't be certain) that was until CASA advised that an AOC had not been granted.

Consequently for whatever reason (I believe CASA proving a point) did not issue an AOC for Virgin Blue before their claimed start-up date.

So I suppose case in point, It has happened to Virgin, involving Australian authorities so I wouldn't say it couldn't happen again.


User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1062 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8797 times:

Whose approval is still pending?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

Let's not forget that VS has also this other application up in the air... Sales and marketing for the LHR-BOM flights are up and running, yet the airline is so far not guaranteed the frequencies to operate the service in a couple of months' time, although this case is purely U.K.-related and does not involve any foreign authorities.



User currently offlineGecko From Singapore, joined Sep 2004, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8758 times:

VS11 - whilst not entirely conlusive there is no Foreign AOC for VS listed on the CASA website.



User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

VS have more than enough business sense behind them to make sure they get the clearance in time.

There are airlines who've survived far longer, through far worse, with far more to deal with.... that have had such incidences happen to them. VS is certainly not immune.




In fact, I'll venture to say that not only is it possible, but probable in this particular case.


User currently offlineA340Driver From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 94 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8042 times:

Who hasn't approved the route? It was approved by the EU, HK and OZ authorities a long time ago. Where did the 'not approved yet' rumour start?
It was initially due to start in June of this year but was delayed waiting for final approval from the EU.

It's all ready to go from LHR on December 6. There is even a new HKG Clubhouse opening for it.


User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

The condition is if VS gets the rights to operate LHR-HKG-SYD and back, CX must be given the permission to operate HKG-LHR-JFK.

Since CX has not been given the deal, VS will not get the deal too.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 6952 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

The CX LHR JFK deal is subject to EU approval.

BMI have complained that a non EU carrier has got preference on departure rights ex Heathrow to JFK.



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User currently offlineCx123 From Australia, joined May 2004, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7138 times:

YEp CX has not being given the LHR-JFK right yet. (Due to EU restrictions).

I am surprised VS did get the go ahead.


User currently offlineIntheknow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Better happen or my December roster will be buggered up, I'm rostered a LHR-HKG-SYD-HKG-LHR from 11-19th December!

ITK


User currently offlineA340Driver From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 94 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7118 times:

Virgin will commence HKG-SYD on 7 Dec, it has been approved by all authorities. Who do you think hasn't approved the route license? As an airline, I think we should know before we set off! Especially as I am scheduled to fly one next month!

It is not operating as a charter flight but as an extension of the scheduled service VS200 from LHR to HKG.

I guess that seeing a VS -600 in SYD will prove one of us wrong.





User currently offlinePlaneMad From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 533 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4745 times:

Isn't VS starting 2nd daily to HKG from LHR and that flight continues to SYD? If so are both daily flight VS 200/201?

Sam D.


25 Post contains images MIAspotter : Cool! Can't wait to see those A346's in SYD, and who knows... maybe fly on one of those there too! Go Virgin Atlantic!! MIAspotter
26 A340Driver : It's one flight a day LHR-HKG-SYD as an extension of the existing VS200. The idea wasn't to capture UK-OZ traffic but the OneWorld duopoly HKG-SYD rou
27 Lutfi : It hasn't been approved by the EU yet, but HK and Australia may give it approval on a charter basis until EU approval arrives.
28 A340Driver : The launch was delayed from June to December awaiting EU approval, do you know of a further EU approval that is now required?
29 Aerofan : So does any one know if the UK to India slots have been allocated as yet. Can't seem to find anything on whether or not the decision has been made. Ha
30 Aussiestu : Did the original VS flight to HKG sit on the ground for ages and thus they can add the flight to OZ now? If so does that change flight plans for peop
31 A340Driver : The A340-600 has the largest Upper Class suite capacity in the VS fleet, the target for HKG-SYD and the reason for operating it against the 747-400. A
32 Cx flyboy : EU ruling on the approval was expected a couple of weeks ago, but has now been delayed till after the new year. As others have mentionned, HKG and Aus
33 AlitaliaMD11 : Hey still about VS, does anyone know when they will comence the LHR-DXB?? Want to fly them, there in Feb.
34 A340Driver : Cx flyboy, Interesting news. What is the source? We haven't heard anything about it at Virgin.
35 Aerofan : I'm curious about your two posts. See below. The one to CXfly boy would indicate that you work for VS> The first however, would indicate you do not an
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