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Interesting A350 News  
User currently offlineAp305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14051 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041123/bs_nm/transport_airbus_dc_1







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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13898 times:

Err - next time, actually give us an indication as to what the interesting news ACTUALLY IS !! And post a link that can ACTUALLY BE OPENED.

I suggest this thread be deleted.


User currently offlineAp305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 13875 times:

Sorry, did not know how to create an open link.http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041123/bs_nm/transport_airbus_dc_1. Basically airbus is loooking at a plane with greater range and capacity than the 7e7.




User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13756 times:

Hmm, this article might be jumping the gun at best... and false at worst.

There's been no other corroboration to suggest that the A350 is targeting LONGER range than any of the 7E7s other than the -3... particularly considering that Airbus would have to add about a thousand NM to what's already been proposed.


User currently offlineAp305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13721 times:

The article quotes the wsj. Can someone with a subscription please verify?

Regards
ap305


User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13669 times:

Even if it's written in an article in the World Soccer Journal (wsj) It does not necessarily happen to be the truth, about the range of the A350  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Cheers

Peter

[Edited 2004-11-23 11:05:35]


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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13589 times:

Well if so, Boeing should focus on airlines that want less passengers, cargo & range.







 Big grin



User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13553 times:

Any range figure is just speculation since the A350 is nothing yet but a number.


I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13546 times:

Same applies to the B7E7.


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User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13525 times:

Hardly, Show me drawing for the 350, show me figues from Airbus for the 350. There are none because Airbus has not yet made any. As of yet the 350 is nothing but words to counter the 7E7 and to try to keep customers away from Boeing.

Basically it is like this. Give us 3.5 Billion and we will think of something up.



I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 13500 times:

Some on the A350 according to the Handelsblatt (today´s issue):

- based on the A330-200
- range 13.900 km
- capacity 250 pax
- first delivery 2009
- will have the B7E7 engines (no mentioning if bleed or not)
- Aer Lingus in negotiations about 12 A350
- development cost estimate 3.3 bn US$

Regards
Flying-Tiger



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User currently offlineRlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 1075 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13432 times:

What you are quoting is just pure speculation. Show us all where Airbus has said any of that.


I can drive faster than you
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 13404 times:

In German only, sorry: http://www.handelsblatt.de/pshb/fn/relhbi/sfn/buildhbi/cn/GoArt!200012,200038,823326/SH/0/depot/0/index.html


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User currently offlineAp305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13244 times:

If the article is accurate it brings up the question wether airbus is aiming at the 7e7 or the 777. If this speculative plane becomes a reality, the a343 will have another nail in its coffin.

Regards
ap305


User currently offlineAp305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13220 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041123/bs_nm/transport_airbus_dc_2 .A few more details in this one.


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13198 times:


I agree with RIwynn, the A350 is nothing yet and all this is it's that Airbus has told EADS that they wanted 3.5b and that they would think something up. They're playing catch up as far as Im concerned. Boeing has proven a staunch supporter of their airplane and have proven various areas of importance and backed it up with "true" numbers. "Based on the A330" is not what I call something that is going to give the airlines some insight into what this thing will really be like. ALso, to be able to run a project as expensive as the A380 along with this A350 shows the true colors of Airbus and why they are leading the market...subsidies.



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User currently offlineJ.mo From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13196 times:

Man, it must be nice to have that kind money. To develop the A380 and now start on another new airplane.

I wonder where they get it?  Big grin

Jeremy



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User currently offlineUpsmd11 From United States of America, joined May 2003, 807 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13164 times:

They get it from the same place DHL gets their money. OK, that is probably not a relevant thread here but it's a personal jab at a foreign government funding an industry where private American business has to compete in an unfair marketplace.

User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13140 times:

It's in this morning's Wall St. Journal, as well.
http://online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB110116060644081198,00.html?mod=home_whats_news_us


User currently offlineAp305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13111 times:

767-332ER wrote""Based on the A330" is not what I call something that is going to give the airlines some insight into what this thing will really be like".

Do you by any chance work with one of the airlines to which airbus has spoken to?. If not how do you know that "based on the a330" is all that Airbus has told them?. The 7e7 is going to be a great plane but that does not mean that whatever airbus does to maintain its market competitiveness has to be rubished. As far as the subsidies issue goes i guess it is for the WTO to sort out.

ap305




User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13097 times:

I wonder if Boeing should ask Congress for a $1 billion in aid.

At least when the gvt gives Boeing something, they get planes in return for it!

(or rockets, for that matter).

-n


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12394 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13075 times:
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At least when the gvt gives Boeing something, they get planes in return for it!

The European governments that have loaned Airbus money have seen a significant return on their investments.



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User currently offlineAp305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 13053 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041123/ap_on_bi_ge/france_airbus_1 . Mr Leahy has something to say  Yeah sure. Was this not the same person who claimed the a330 was more than enough to deal with the 7e7?. The aircraft business is fun aint it?.

ap305


User currently offlineDeltaWings From Switzerland, joined Aug 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12766 times:

If the article is accurate it brings up the question wether airbus is aiming at the 7e7 or the 777. If this speculative plane becomes a reality, the a343 will have another nail in its coffin.

Yes, they are aiming at both, if you come down to it. The bigger version of the A350 (-900?) will definetly replace the 343 and Airbus will finally have a twin-engined aircraft to compete with the 777.
The shorter version (A350-800) will be aimed at the 7e7-9.




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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12641 times:

Unter the current agreement Boeing is allowed to get a repayable loan for up to 1/3 of the sum spend on the B7E7 development. If they don´t ask, well, their problem.


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25 PPVRA : PARIS (Reuters) - Airbus is designing an aircraft to compete with Boeing Co.'s planned 7E7 wide-body jetliner that would carry more passengers and fly
26 767-332ER : Ap305, according to what fellow member, Flying Tigers wrote: Some on the A350 according to the Handelsblatt (today´s issue): - based on the A330-200
27 Post contains images FinnWings : Airbus can do whatever it wants with the A330, but with a lower percentage of composite materials in the aircraft, and for the simple fact that it is
28 Post contains images FriendlySkies : Where are all the Airbus fans to call the A350 a paper airplane? To those who called the 7E7 a paper airplane, I offer you this. The A350 isn't an air
29 DIA : Hey, hardheads! You know who you are. . . When the 7E7 was in the beginning stages of (idea) development, most of the a.net diehard Airbus fans said
30 Wingman : Well, if this deosn't convince everyone that EADS is out to completely destroy true competition in the civilian airliner market by doing this then Eur
31 FriendlySkies : Perhaps from very successful earlier products? They have done excellent work at the same time when their competitor across the pond has been focused j
32 FinnWings : FriendlySkies, Every aircraft is a paper airplane before the first flight has been done and checked how the REAL performance compares with the markete
33 Keesje : Has anybody heard the airlines begging for extensive use of composites & state of the art bleedless technology? In the termination papers of the Boein
34 Ap305 : 767-332ER wrote"First of all, before you go attacking anyone's credibility (mine), it might help you to read ALL of the replies to the post". I was no
35 Atmx2000 : Unter the current agreement Boeing is allowed to get a repayable loan for up to 1/3 of the sum spend on the B7E7 development. If they don´t ask, well
36 CRPilot : FriendlySkies...not being too friendly today are we? Clearly you favor Boeing over Airbus. No problem! Airbus developing a new bird is nothing but a s
37 Scorpio : FrienlySkies, Maybe because Boeing has the guts to actually close a line? When was the last major order for the A300 or A310? Thank you very much for
38 NWAFA : Does any one know if the A350 cockpit is the same as the A330??
39 Post contains links 2H4 : Let me respond the way the Americans have been doing on all kinds of issues as of late: It's OUR way to do this. Don't like it? Tough Scorpio, Please
40 Post contains images Scorpio : 2H4, Please remember....49% of us hate it as much as you do. Yeah you're right.. I should probably rephrase that to 'Let me respond the way the Americ
41 Post contains images Aither : The 7E7 is targetting most of the A330 market + some additional range to provide more flexibility to secondary markets. That’s why Airbus said it’
42 PPVRA : FinnWings, May I ask how B737NG can be successful as it is only a variant of B737Classics? The answer is very simple... Boeing designed a new wing wit
43 Post contains images Aither : A counter example would be Russian space launchers more economical than NASA space shuttle, and safer as well...
44 Gigneil : Where are all the Airbus fans to call the A350 a paper airplane? The A350 is a paper airplane. It has no specific design that we're aware of. Nobody k
45 Glideslope : Take a look at what is going on in the Ukraine today. If things get out of hand in that region, EADS and Americans/Europeans are going to be the leas
46 Wingman : CRPilot, in the 50's and 60's, Boeing bet its very existance with each major aircraft rollout. This was true of the 707 and it was true of the 747. Bu
47 FriendlySkies : Thank you very much for making the most ridiculous and laughable comment of this thread as of yet (and that's an achievement, going through the respon
48 RJ111 : The Boeing 767-400 is proof enough that derivatives of an older aircraft can't compete with a brand new design I love it when people use selective exa
49 Post contains images Aither : "What EADS and France are after is the complete and total destruction of the US civilian aircraft manufacturing base. " Yeah, we're evil don't you kno
50 FriendlySkies : Aither, Don't turn this into a political thing. And for the record, I don't watch Fox, I watch local news or CNN. RJ111, I already discussed the 737NG
51 RJ111 : Meanwhile, Boeing's winning the cargo orders Airbus could easily convert the A330 or A340 to a freigher, they (Airbus) are more focused on driving Boe
52 Post contains links Ap305 : http://www.iht.com/articles/2004/11/23/business/airbus.html . Airbus is indicating 15740km range for the bird. Regards ap305
53 Ken777 : The interesting thing is that A is calling the "upgraded 330" a 350. Why not just improve the 330, like B did with the 737? If they did they could sta
54 Post contains images Greaser : BTW, the 7E7 shares commonality with the 777
55 Gigneil : No, it doesn't. None, at all. Zero percent. N
56 Greaser : Gigneil, don't they have the same cockpit???
57 Gigneil : In as much as the 777, 737, and 767-400 have the same cockpit, yes, but the 7E7 will even have different FBW rules. Airbii have a lot of commonality n
58 Jacobin777 : Wingman...i totally agree......they have spent TENS of billions of dollars in R&D, the BumbleBee 380 has yet to fly, it will take MANY years for them
59 Flying-Tiger : Re last A300/310 order: Air Hong Kong for 6 A300-605RF sometime last year. First one already delivered. BTW, thank´s for bringing up the subsidy issu
60 Carpethead : Instead of calling it a paper-plane why not call it a computer-plane because nobody drafts an airplane on a draftboard any more. Welcome to the 21st c
61 Scorpio : You didn't answer my question. When was the last major order PLACED for either the A300 or A310? Airbus could easily shut down the line and FINISH PRO
62 2H4 : but the 7E7 will even have different FBW rules Gigneil, Can you elaborate on how the 7E7's FBW system will differ from that of the 777? 2H4
63 Gigneil : I will have to dig up that Flug Review article. Walt Gillette detailed a variety of differences in the way the 7E7's FBW would handle. Does any one kn
64 Atmx2000 : I propose a new category of aircraft design states to distinguish the 7E7 from the A350. We should call the former a paper plane (or computer plane as
65 RJ111 : (they will not sell a total of 250-350 with the next 5 years).. Although its still too early to tell, they've already sold (Not all firm) about 150 s
66 Starrion : "The last major order was the UPS order for 60 frames, couple of years ago. In that order, UPS specified that they wanted the planes delivered at a ra
67 Scorpio : A V. B aside, I seem to recall that UPS no longer wants these aircraft. Not due to any problem with them, but that they no longer need the expanded ca
68 Gigneil : Well, it was reduced shorthaul capacity commensurate with the downturn of the US economy. As the economy is improving, demand for UPS services in the
69 AirbusCanada : in the 50's and 60's, Boeing bet its very existence with each major aircraft rollout. This was true of the 707 and it was true of the 747. But what EA
70 AvObserver : "About the 7E7 technology, the economics are not so impressive considering all the “technology hype” around this aircraft . Most of the economics
71 Post contains links and images FriendlySkies : RJ111: Please explain. Boeing IS currently winning cargo orders because Airbus HAS NOT come up with a new freigher to sell. The A300 can't stay around
72 Rj111 : Its very simple Airbus could easily convert the A330 or A340 to a freigher, they (Airbus) are more focused on driving Boeing out of the market If they
73 FriendlySkies : My original problem was with someone saying that all Boeing does is shut down lines. I wouldn't have continued, but when someone says my thoughts are
74 Greaser : Rj111, i doubt BR will be a launch customer of an A332F. Just becuase they operate A330s. Yes, they have MD-11Fs, but the 777F carries more payload, f
75 StickShaker : ..."The bigger version of the A350 (-900?) will definetly replace the 343 and Airbus will finally have a twin-engined aircraft to compete with the 77
76 Flygaz : I was chatting to a friend of mine last night who is one of the line managers at British Aerospace in Broughton who make the wings for Airbus. He said
77 Scorpio : FriendlySkies, Seriously, you don't get it, do you? I don't remember anyone saying Airbus should NEVER shut the line down. However, announcing a shutd
78 Post contains links Rj111 : Rj111, i doubt BR will be a launch customer of an A332F. Just becuase they operate A330s. Yes, they have MD-11Fs, but the 777F carries more payload, f
79 AirbusCanada : i>Paart of the A380's economics advantage over the 747-400 is in it's larger scale but composites were needed to keep weight managable. The 7E7 must g
80 Greaser : That thread you linked was posted in Arpil, but the 777LRF has just been launched, and i have heard Boeing has gotten some calls from certain airlines
81 PPVRA : AirbusCanada, If you factor in the bleedless engine concept, it would be much higher than 40 because the other system that would require to “bleed
82 AirbusCanada : but the A350 is supposed to have the same/similar engines as the 7e7 It will be the same engine, but it will be the bleed version, not the bleedless o
83 PPVRA : It will be the same engine, but it will be the bleed version, not the bleedless one. So that's a plus for the 7e7, if you factor in that added weight
84 2H4 : Now can how much weigh saving can the new composites provide compared to latest aluminum alloys or GLAIR and at what costs? Remember...composites prov
85 PPVRA : 2H4, I second that. Composites is the future. PPVRA
86 AirbusCanada : there is no argument that composites are much more superior than most existing metal. The question is , is it cost effective? just like titanium is mu
87 DfwRevolution : there is no argument that composites are much more superior than most existing metal. The question is , is it cost effective? Yes I think they will pr
88 FriendlySkies : Scorpio: It's obvious we're never going to agree on this. IMO, by leaving the line open, Airbus is setting themselves up for the possibility of not be
89 Rj111 : If more orders come in, they will have to build them. And thats the last thing Airbus want to do, build and sell more planes! Anyway, why don't we jus
90 Post contains images Nealcg : Hell fire burning with sulpher brimstone.... leaping lava leaving no one alive..... burn baby burn.... may no A.nettter be left untouched... A v B let
91 Scorpio : If more orders come in, they will have to build them. Oh the horror! The horror! Eventually they will reach a point where they need the line for a new
92 Warren747sp : Airbus position on the B7E7 and their half learted challenger sounds so much like the Kerry campaign. Flip-flopping all the time. No morals, certainly
93 Scorpio : Airbus position on the B7E7 and their half learted challenger sounds so much like the Kerry campaign. Flip-flopping all the time. 747-5/600X? Sonic Cr
94 N79969 : Hey Scorpio, Unlike Airbus, Boeing actually has to payback its creditors. All of them. None on a contigency basis. No "repayable" loans. They have to
95 Hirnie : "Flip-flopping all the time. No morals, certainly no guts and no glory." and that`s why my dearest friend Bush was elected and the rest of the world w
96 Scorpio : Hey N, Unlike Airbus, Boeing actually has to payback its creditors. All of them. None on a contigency .. yadda yadda yadda .. actually did begin engin
97 N79969 : Hirnie, Go read Wingman's posts above. They sum up the story very well. And compared to machinations of the EU and Airbus, I would say that Boeing is
98 Agill : Don' you guys ever get tired of having the same discussions that always end up A vs B or Europe vs USA?
99 N79969 : Scorpio, I would not care if the EU were buying health care for its citizens with all this largesse. Because it does not affect Americans. But the EU
100 2H4 : Everyone, The title of this thread is Interesting A350 News. The subject matter should, in some way, be related to interesting news that relates to th
101 N79969 : 2H4, The financing of the A350 is absolutely germane to the development of the design, development, and marketing of the A350. Finance directly affect
102 Post contains images Hirnie : I agree with 2H4 and have to apologize, helping to push this threat more and more into the political corner. N79969 perhaps you and some others in her
103 2H4 : The financing of the A350 is absolutely germane to the development of the design, development, and marketing of the A350. Finance directly affects all
104 Post contains images Aither : BOUH ! ... Sorry i'm french...
105 Ken777 : I tend to support the initial arguments for subsidies for Airbus. At the time A was an infant industry and I think the US was rather fair in going alo
106 Post contains images Solnabo : RHAAAA!!! "our crafts are much better than yours"-retoric is getting out of hand in this topic.......but I agree with Scorpio though! Micke
107 CRPilot : "Airbus position on the B7E7 and their half learted challenger sounds so much like the Kerry campaign. Flip-flopping all the time. No morals, certainl
108 VirginFlyer : Because a number of users don't seem to be able to conduct a discussion without letting it descend into a slanging match, I am closing this. If you th
109 Aither : Whatever some say about the "subsidies", there was an agreement in 1992 and Airbus has complied to it. For those talking about an "infant industry", l
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