Irishjohn From Russia, joined Nov 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1448 times:
Ryanair will announce changes to it's Italian network tomorrow at a news conference in Milan, scheduled for 2pm!! Maybe a quick fix domestic network to replace Volare??
BestWestern From Ireland, joined Sep 2000, 6509 posts, RR: 58 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1318 times:
JPGH! I'm putting my neck on the line on domestic italian routes.... Why else is he in Milan... But then I had to eat my Ryanair hat yesterday.... two hats in a week is too much.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1315 times:
I'm not doubting it for a second - it's a sound move, if Volare have gone bung and with AZ teetering on the brink, why not ? I think he'd be better off trying to get slots at LIN for CIA/FCO service - BGY is not business friendly, particularly.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18883 posts, RR: 54 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1303 times:
MXP is actually only about 2 or so miles further from central Milan than BGY, so on that basis there isn't much of a problem. However, MXP is connected to central Milan by train (plus coach), which takes, I assume, 30 or so minutes (the coach takes about an hour, if I remember correctly). In contrast, there is only a coach service to and from BGY, which takes an hour. Evidently, there isn't an awful lot in it, really. Naturally LIN is much closer to the centre.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
I know there's not a lot to choose between MXP and BGY in terms of getting there from town, but the real money in MIL-ROM is business travel. LIN is MUCH better suited for business traffic than either MXP or BGY - the winner will be the airline best able to tap this market, whoever they happen to be. Also to be born in mind is that soon you'll be competing against high-speed trains city-centre to city-centre. Being stuck out at BGY is not going to help any.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18883 posts, RR: 54 Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1273 times:
Of course! I completely agree with you.
But you have to realise, though, that FR does attract an awful lot of businesspeople on its DUB-UK routes, as they're generally more centre-to-centre orientated. You go on an early morning STN-DUB or MAN-DUB flight, and you'll be very shocked! And I presume that if a businessperson had to go from, say, London to Palermo, a route on which FR has a monopoly, it'd choose FR for convenice than, say, AZ and via FCO. So I'd certainly say FR's DUB-UK routes are generally businessperson-orientated, as are its UK-European mainland/inter-European mainland routes on which it has a monopoly.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1240 times:
Pe@rson - you are right about FR's DUB routes - and you know why ? Because DUB is Dublin Airport - it's not Dublin South (Waterford). It is therefore convenient for business people to use the route. Similiarly STN-PMO actually goes to PMO not Palermo South (Lampedusa). LIN has tremendous customer-loyalty because it has to be one of the most convenient city airports in Europe to get to, it will take a lot to persuade Italian business travellers to drag themselves to BGY or MXP to fly to Rome. CIA is enough of a gamble, as transport links to the city centre of Rome are better from FCO. Don't compound the issue by making the Milan end tricky as well.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18883 posts, RR: 54 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1236 times:
LOL. You'll fly PMO is the actual 'main' airport, like an awful lot of those FR flies to, if you bother to look. Over half of the airports it serves are the main ones.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1195 times:
Only half - there's the problem. Half is a LOT ! Beauvais is NOT Paris, Hahn is NOT Frankfurt, Norkopping is NOT Stockholm, Torp is NOT Oslo. Wishing don't make it so. Surely FR must be learning that GBP99.00 business travel is good money, and beats the hell out of luring stag-parties with 99p seats. That is how you develop and grow a route, and sustain your business. Paying higher landing fees at proper airports is just a price you pay for that business.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18883 posts, RR: 54 Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1186 times:
LOL. It's a business. It exists to earn profit. It does what does and it does it extremely well. That is why it is so profitable compared to virtually every other airline in the world.
"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
B747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1178 times:
Nobody actually pays to fly from MXP to FCO or vice-versa, so I can't imagine anybody dragging themselves out to BGY to catch a flight down to CIA, no matter the cost. I flew AZ a couple weeks ago from FCO-MXP and the flight had pretty much only nonrevving AZ pilots and FAs in uniform. The FCO-LIN flights on the other hand were a different story....
If there ain't no market in Malpensa, there sure as hell ain't none in Bergamo.
VivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 363 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1096 times:
hello guys, do you remember Ryanair's logojet "Arrivederci Alitalia" (translate: "Goodbye Aliatlia")?!? Now hopefully FR is doing the long awaited step, jumping into Italian domestic market, FINALLY!!
I agree the moment is perfect, with Volareweb just gone.
As for the possible routes I would say too that LIN would fit much better than BGY for a Milan-Rome flight. Maybe also TFS-CIA and VBS-CIA are possibilities.
However I'm really happy about that, I really hope tomorrow FR will do that!!
Adriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 497 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1012 times:
Any new routes to the UK? I can hardly think of any airport in Italy they don't serve. On main land Italy I can only think of two places they could try:Reggio di Calabria and Florence but can an 737-800 land there? I've heard that Reggio has a most difficult and beautiful approach. We'll see, Ryanair have done wonders to aviation in Italy.
Pe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18883 posts, RR: 54 Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1030 times:
Some of the new destinations are main airports, GRX, OPO, VLC, SVQ for example, so the airstrips miles from anywhere isn't always true."
There's an awful lot of "main airports" (it would be unfair to say that the people flying into, say, GRO or PIK are only going to Barcelona and Glasgow respectively, for there is the real chance that they'd be going elsewhere (the town of GRO, for example, is a good place in its own right, as is Ayrshire in Scotland. However, for the purpose of this I will not include those airports next to a 'main' airport, unless they are busy with flights from other airlines too, like STN and LTN).
I have probably missed some off as I'm doing it off the top of my head. As you will appreciate, FR flies to considerably more 'main' airports than non-main airports. But you must remember that some of these main airports aren't necessarily large airports, like Ancona or Pau.
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