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Ryanair Italian Plans - Update Tomorrow  
User currently offlineIrishjohn From Russia, joined Nov 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2082 times:



Ryanair will announce changes to it's Italian network tomorrow at a news conference in Milan, scheduled for 2pm!! Maybe a quick fix domestic network to replace Volare??

J

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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2019 times:

Italian domestic routes are on the cards!

Finally!



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Milan North(Lugano) - Rome South (Palermo) anyone ?

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

JPGH! I'm putting my neck on the line on domestic italian routes.... Why else is he in Milan... But then I had to eat my Ryanair hat yesterday.... two hats in a week is too much.

BGY - CIA x 8 daily anyone?



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

I'm not doubting it for a second - it's a sound move, if Volare have gone bung and with AZ teetering on the brink, why not ? I think he'd be better off trying to get slots at LIN for CIA/FCO service - BGY is not business friendly, particularly.

User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

For city centre milan BGY isnt favourable, but for Eastern Milan its a great location.

More and more carriers are moving from MXP to BGY.

Easy should go after the LIN FCO market.




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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

MXP is actually only about 2 or so miles further from central Milan than BGY, so on that basis there isn't much of a problem. However, MXP is connected to central Milan by train (plus coach), which takes, I assume, 30 or so minutes (the coach takes about an hour, if I remember correctly). In contrast, there is only a coach service to and from BGY, which takes an hour. Evidently, there isn't an awful lot in it, really. Naturally LIN is much closer to the centre.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

I know there's not a lot to choose between MXP and BGY in terms of getting there from town, but the real money in MIL-ROM is business travel. LIN is MUCH better suited for business traffic than either MXP or BGY - the winner will be the airline best able to tap this market, whoever they happen to be. Also to be born in mind is that soon you'll be competing against high-speed trains city-centre to city-centre. Being stuck out at BGY is not going to help any.

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

What about domestic flights to/from Genoa to CIA or PSA?

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1907 times:

Of course! I completely agree with you.

But you have to realise, though, that FR does attract an awful lot of businesspeople on its DUB-UK routes, as they're generally more centre-to-centre orientated. You go on an early morning STN-DUB or MAN-DUB flight, and you'll be very shocked! And I presume that if a businessperson had to go from, say, London to Palermo, a route on which FR has a monopoly, it'd choose FR for convenice than, say, AZ and via FCO. So I'd certainly say FR's DUB-UK routes are generally businessperson-orientated, as are its UK-European mainland/inter-European mainland routes on which it has a monopoly.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1895 times:

BestWestern, easyJet fly into Ciampino, not FCO.


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1889 times:

Some AZ fares LHR-CTA/PMO via FCO are cheaper than their own LHR-FCO fares on the same flights, due to the FR and Air Malta competition, I presume.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Pe@rson - you are right about FR's DUB routes - and you know why ? Because DUB is Dublin Airport - it's not Dublin South (Waterford). It is therefore convenient for business people to use the route. Similiarly STN-PMO actually goes to PMO not Palermo South (Lampedusa). LIN has tremendous customer-loyalty because it has to be one of the most convenient city airports in Europe to get to, it will take a lot to persuade Italian business travellers to drag themselves to BGY or MXP to fly to Rome. CIA is enough of a gamble, as transport links to the city centre of Rome are better from FCO. Don't compound the issue by making the Milan end tricky as well.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

LOL. You'll fly PMO is the actual 'main' airport, like an awful lot of those FR flies to, if you bother to look.  Smile Over half of the airports it serves are the main ones.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7302 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1839 times:

Gkirk - Duh.. i know that! They should move to FCO and operate LIN FCO...

" it will take a lot to persuade Italian business travellers to drag themselves to BGY or MXP to fly to Rome"

Will probably take €9.99 fares!



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Only half - there's the problem. Half is a LOT ! Beauvais is NOT Paris, Hahn is NOT Frankfurt, Norkopping is NOT Stockholm, Torp is NOT Oslo. Wishing don't make it so. Surely FR must be learning that GBP99.00 business travel is good money, and beats the hell out of luring stag-parties with 99p seats. That is how you develop and grow a route, and sustain your business. Paying higher landing fees at proper airports is just a price you pay for that business.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1820 times:

LOL. It's a business. It exists to earn profit. It does what does and it does it extremely well. That is why it is so profitable compared to virtually every other airline in the world.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1812 times:

Nobody actually pays to fly from MXP to FCO or vice-versa, so I can't imagine anybody dragging themselves out to BGY to catch a flight down to CIA, no matter the cost. I flew AZ a couple weeks ago from FCO-MXP and the flight had pretty much only nonrevving AZ pilots and FAs in uniform. The FCO-LIN flights on the other hand were a different story....

If there ain't no market in Malpensa, there sure as hell ain't none in Bergamo.


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Some of the new destinations are main airports, GRX, OPO, VLC, SVQ for example, so the airstrips miles from anywhere isn't always true.

User currently offlineVivaGunners From Italy, joined Oct 2000, 364 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1730 times:

hello guys, do you remember Ryanair's logojet "Arrivederci Alitalia" (translate: "Goodbye Aliatlia")?!? Now hopefully FR is doing the long awaited step, jumping into Italian domestic market, FINALLY!!
I agree the moment is perfect, with Volareweb just gone.
As for the possible routes I would say too that LIN would fit much better than BGY for a Milan-Rome flight. Maybe also TFS-CIA and VBS-CIA are possibilities.
However I'm really happy about that, I really hope tomorrow FR will do that!!

cheers!



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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 527 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Any new routes to the UK? I can hardly think of any airport in Italy they don't serve. On main land Italy I can only think of two places they could try:Reggio di Calabria and Florence but can an 737-800 land there? I've heard that Reggio has a most difficult and beautiful approach. We'll see, Ryanair have done wonders to aviation in Italy.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

Some of the new destinations are main airports, GRX, OPO, VLC, SVQ for example, so the airstrips miles from anywhere isn't always true."

There's an awful lot of "main airports" (it would be unfair to say that the people flying into, say, GRO or PIK are only going to Barcelona and Glasgow respectively, for there is the real chance that they'd be going elsewhere (the town of GRO, for example, is a good place in its own right, as is Ayrshire in Scotland. However, for the purpose of this I will not include those airports next to a 'main' airport, unless they are busy with flights from other airlines too, like STN and LTN).

Dublin
Derry
Knock
Cork
Shannon
Newquay
Bournemouth
Bristol
Cardiff
Gatwick
Luton
Stansted
Birmingham
East Midlands
Manchester
Blackpool
Liverpool
Leeds
Teesside
Newcastle
Edinburgh
Aberdeen
Haugesund
Malmo
Aarhus
Esbjerg
Eindhoven
Dinard
Poitiers
Tours
Limoges
Bergerac
Rodez
Nimes
Montpellier
Perpignan
Pau
Biarritz
Santander
Porto
Faro
Jerez
Seville
Granada
Malaga
Almeria
Murcia
Valencia
Zaragoza
Turin
Genoa
Alghero
Pisa
Trieste
Ancona
Pescara
Bari
Brindisi
Palermo
Klagenfurt
Salzburg
Linz
Graz
Wroclaw
Erfurt
Friedrichshafen
Riga

I have probably missed some off as I'm doing it off the top of my head. As you will appreciate, FR flies to considerably more 'main' airports than non-main airports. But you must remember that some of these main airports aren't necessarily large airports, like Ancona or Pau.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1569 times:

'TFS-CIA' is along route, I think you mean't TSF-CIA, VivaGunners

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