AMS From Netherlands, joined Aug 2003, 1631 posts, RR: 16 Posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7770 times:
I just heard that an engine of a NW DC-10 bound from Tokyo NRT to HNL
got on fire when the pilot started up the first engine.
Anyone has some further news on this?
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2301 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 7499 times:
NW goes together with fire trucks.
I don't mean to spell gloom and doom to NW, as I wouldn't want to see anybody hurt or killed, but NW has the most amount of troubles at least in Japan. I have seen a couple of JL flights with fire trucks in tow or preparation but I have seen numerous times with NW. Even seen an engine fire on a DC-10 at KIX.
What heck to they put in their engines?
Burnsie28 From United States, joined Aug 2004, 6235 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7318 times:
Carpethead,
oh please, UA and the 777 has had more problems than our DC10s
I was thinking about mentioning that, since a lot of UA 777's have been diverted, the most well known was the one that I believe landed in White Horse? Sat there for about 3 weeks or so because of engine failure. Along with many being diverted to Anchorage, Fairbanks, Yellowknife etc.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
NWAFA From United States, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 27 Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7314 times:
Burnsie,
I think your right here, Carpethead is out for NWA...he/she is so out of here in facts...he/she forgets to post about the 777 always having problems..or UA having problems within Japan.
THANK YOU FOR FLYING NORTHWEST AIRLINES, WE TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS!
Uadc8contrail From United States, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 14 Reply 10, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7213 times:
nwafa-burnsie,
you 2 have got to be feeding off each others anti ual feelings......anything that happens to nwa will have you 2 idiots throwing in a ual angle on it within 10 mins of the thread being started.......next time i see those "when is nwa getting rid of those old dc9s" you better throw in a great ua slant or you 2 are losing your edge.....i bet you 2 even blame ual for andersons unexpected and sudden departure from nwa,,,,,could it be that he has seen into the crystal ball and he didnt like what he was seeing or im sure you 2 wonders had ual in on his leaving....either case keep up the good work you make alot of us laugh at your thought provoking words of wisdom
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2301 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7094 times:
No, I am not out to get NW.
Yes, UA has had diverts with its 777, but Yellowhorse isn't in Japan. Is it?
UA does have problems from time to time too.
However, spotters here in Japan are notorious for NW jokes for flaming engines, tire bursts, and general problems because they occur with more frequency than any other carrier that flies into Japan.
This is no exaggeration. I am just reporting facts and opinions of many enthusiasts in Japan.
Nwfltattendant From United States, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 5 Reply 13, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7076 times:
uadc8.... lets hear it... someones always picking on UA these days - kinda reminds me of whinny kids in grade school.. the one always yelling for the teacher.
burnsie and nwafa..... does seem that carpethead is exaggerating quite a bit. At first glance it did seem to be a great deal of sensationalism. Really there is no way to substantiate it one way or the other - some people just have selective memory.
M404 From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2053 posts, RR: 7 Reply 14, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7063 times:
And now, Anderson left because Health Care doesn't have unions, and United Healthcare is not exactly in that great of shape either
Not too many insurance companies have unions. I'd say he left for a slight raise in pay and no unions or other demanding he take pay cuts. Not to mention the new relation UH has with NW.
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
Dtwintlflyer From United States, joined Jul 2003, 301 posts, RR: 3 Reply 16, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6969 times:
We sure as hell don't have "so many problems landing (our) widebodies in NRT". When you take into account that we have so many flights in and out every day and occasionally there is a problem, I don't think that means we have a lot of problems. I can think of two incidents in the past couple of years (an A330 with hot brakes and this - WOW, we had better shut down our operations! I also don't think Anderson leaving is some sort of crystal ball sign of bad things to come. All of the legacy carriers are struggling, but NW is certainly in much better shape than UA, even a non aviation person would have to see that one!! I am not here to bash UA, but if you want to compare, I would say NW is in a heck of a lot better shape for now and in the future. We were run much more efficently and effectively than NW.
Anyway, can't we just get back to the thread.....anyone have more information..
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6634 times:
Carpethead is exactly correct in reply 12. It is unbelievable that so many people take his remarks as a personal affront of some kind. Rather than responding with over-the-top hyperbole such as that contained in replies 10, 13, and 16, make a point. Carpethead does not exaggerate in the least.
Among many Japanese, NWA has a reputation for having mechanical problems. Having spent substantial time in the country, I can attest to that fact personally. Aside from the events that make the news, NWA has had several mid-air turnbacks and delays are not uncommon. Even taking into account that they are the 2nd largest carrier at Narita after JAL, they seem to have a disproportionate number of problems. "Seem" is the key word because we are talking about a perception.
One more than one occasion Narita airport was closed (when it had one runway) due to a problem with a NWA aircraft. One one occasion an engine actually came off the airplane. When you do not have a parallel runway, that creates a huge headache because of diversions, delays, and so on.
I recall hearing about 2nd incident when NWA dropped an engine onto the runway but I cannot find a record unfortunately. Needless to say events that shutdown the country's premier international gateway make the evening news.
As to whether this perception is well-founded, I am not sure. It would require a fairly complex statistical analysis. But what Carpethead says about the perception of NWA in Japan is basically right.
Mtnmanmakalu From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 515 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6629 times:
Easy there Carpethead...
Maybe it is because NWA has sooooo many flights in and out of NRT and the age of the DC-10's. The DC-10 is still a better A/C than ANY Airbus, and we will see how good of shape an A330 or A340 is (if it is even flying!) when they are that old!!! Anybody who knows anything about the '10 knows that it is a temperamental A/c, but SAFE!!!
I am on my way out for a 8 1/2 hour flight on one this morning and have no anxiety.
I suggest you compile a list of ALL Airline incidents in NRT in accordance to their number of flights to the same- or fly somebody else if it is such and issue with you!!
JGC84 From Japan, joined Nov 2004, 4 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5196 times:
Hi, this is my first post on A-net.
I've counted the numbers of flight irregularity incidents for flights to and from Japan from February 2000 to August 2004 by non-Japanese airlines, as reported to the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport (MLIT).
1. Northwest 70
2. Fedex 36
3. United 18
4. Continental* 14
5. Cathay Pacific 12
6. China Airlines 11
7. China Eastern 10
8. UPS 9
9. Delta 7
10. Air Canada 6
11. Thai 5
11. Philippine 5
13. American 4
13. Korean 4
13. Qantas 4
13. Varig 4
13. Alitalia 4
18. Air China 3
18. Air New Zealand 3
20. China Southern 2
20. Evergreen International 2
20. Lufthansa 2
* Includes Continental Micronesia
Less than two incidents for other airlines.
Flight irregularity incidents are defined as incidents involving the following:
1. Changes to destination after takeoff due to mechanical problems
2. Returns to airport of origin due to mechanical problems
3. Priorities in terms of air-traffic control due to mechanical problems
4. Minor collisions with another aircraft or other objects
5. Deviation from runways
6. Closing of runways
Note that these incidents do not include major accidents (i.e. hijacks, crashes), and also do not include incidents due to bird strikes, illnesses, and/or weather.
I don't know the exact number of flights that these airlines operate in and out of Japan each week, but it does look as though the number of flight irregularities for Northwest is high (i.e. approximately 4 times that of United)...
Bobnwa From United States, joined Dec 2000, 4713 posts, RR: 12 Reply 23, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5094 times:
What were the numbers for JAL, the largest carrier at NRT and ANA. NWA is quite a bit larger at NRT than all the carriers listed including United, so I am not sure that the numbers are that far out of wack.
I do agree that Northwest's reputation on Japan is not the best, but is it justified.
Don't forget that Japan is the home of the group honeymoon trips, and they can't understand why the rest of the world finds that unusual.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2712 posts, RR: 4 Reply 25, posted (4 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4856 times:
The DC-10 is still a better A/C than ANY Airbus, and we will see how good of shape an A330 or A340 is (if it is even flying!) when they are that old!!!
Complete bollocks as you as far as i am concerned, cant look into the future. What makes your Airbus accusations better than his about the DC10? You have no facts whatsoever to back up what you are saying.
26 YVRtoYYZ: No pictures in the given link by AMS Carpethead: There are three large urban areas in Canada's north: 1) Whitehorse, YK; 2) Yellowknife, NWT; 3) Iqual
27 Yukimizake: "Don't forget that Japan is the home of the group honeymoon trips, and they can't understand why the rest of the world finds that unusual." That is a
28 KLM747: Here is a photo of a firetruck next to the NW DC-10. http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20041124-02170489-jijp-soci.view-001 Will
29 Burnsie28: That is unless you mean to undermine the Japanese for their justifiably poor opinion of NW. If that's the case, why did the Japanese vote NW as the be
30 Bobnwa: Yukimizake, Sorry if my remarks offended. I was trying to show that ordinary things in one country are looked at differently in another country. I als
31 KaiTakFan: "That's why UA has fewer incidences, because they have newer planes and fewer flights". United does have alot of newer planes, but NWA is not doing to
32 N229nw: Hey could we actually get a tail number on this one? filler
33 Jano: JGC84 re "Source: http://www.mlit.go.jp/koku/04_outline/02_anzen/04_toukei/01_irregular/index.html" Welcome to a.net Thanks for posting the numbers. H
34 StearmanNut: It's not only UA's 777's which have engine fire issues, BA's 777's have had plenty too. Rare to hear about an DC 10 or MD II with engine fires.
35 N79969: Burnsie28, Where and when was NWA voted the best North American airline in Japan? " Why does NW carry more Japanese and other pax then even ANA, let a
36 Commander_Rabb: How many Japanese tourists has NWA lost in the past 20 years? NWA is big in Japan and always has been. A lot of Japanese nationals fly NWA, and they s
37 Burnsie28: Where and when was NWA voted the best North American airline in Japan? http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2002/pr102820021029.html
38 N79969: Burnsie28, Did you even read the press release? It doesn't say that NWA was voted the best North American airline in Japan. Nor can you draw that infe
39 Yukimizake: "A lot of Japanese nationals fly NWA, and they seem happy doing so." While this is true don't mistake this as a glowing endorsement of NW's service. N
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