KEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27 Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3830 times:
What is the likelihood of foreign airlines in particular Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines & Thai Airways given the authority to operate flights between Mainland China and the US? American carriers are already given a hard time by the Chinese govt to operate more flights, it's only recently that the market has been opened up which paves the way for more transpac services over the next 2 years. With that said, what chances do 3rd party airlines have in this protected market?
Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong and South Korea have traditionally been the jump-off point for Transpacific flights operated by SQ, MH and TG. All of these carriers would be dying to operate Transpacific flights via China as this is one of the biggest largely uptapped markets in the world, almost at their own doorstep.
How do you foresee SQ, MH & TG one day operating Transpacific flights via China? How many years would you give before this could happen? That also includes flights to Canada.
LUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3638 times:
What is the likelihood of foreign airlines in particular Singapore Airlines, Malaysia Airlines & Thai Airways given the authority to operate flights between Mainland China and the US?
Not likely seeing that American, Delta, & Continental are currently battling for that right themselves and they are already US based airlines. If the US or China gives authority to non China or non US airlines to fly USA-China, there would be quite an uproar by all airlines for each side.
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Ex_SQer From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 1436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3571 times:
SQ Cargo already operates transpacific to the US ex-Xiamen and Nanjing. Singapore and the US have an open skies agreement, so the only hindrance to passenger flights is China itself. You can be sure that open skies will be discussed at future bilateral talks with China, but when that may be I don't know.
Gemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5718 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3562 times:
Sorry your point is irrelevent!
It depends on the bilateral treaties between the US and the airlines country. The bilaterals between the US and Singapore/Malaysia/Thiland must allow for enroute stops as until recently it has not been possible to operate non stop. If that treaty allows cities in China AND allows fifth freedom rights between the stopovers and the US, then SQ/MH/TG already have these rights and those countries have given the US some acceptable quid pro quo in return. If the treaties do not allow it then of course they cant do it.
As the US and Singapore have an open skys agreement, then SQ can, as far as the US is concerned, which of course begs the question of does the China/Singapore bilateral allow SQ fifth freedom rights beyond China?
As EX_SQer says SQ definately has these rights for cargo, pax, I dont know.
Airbus Lover From Malaysia, joined Apr 2000, 3248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3469 times:
Yes correct Malaysia and the USA have open skies agreement meaning that MH can operate as many flights a day into any American city they wish and vice versa. The problem would lie with China granting Malaysian national carrier the right to fly to North America out of a Chinese city and with the associated freedom rights. Currently they have granted Malaysia similar rights in the latest bilateral agreements so we see MASkargo flying from Shanghai to Dubai.
Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2972 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3370 times:
QF & VS have rights through Hong Kong but that's different from mainland China.
With access to US-China strictly controlled, I would doubt the Chinese authorities would grant rights to other countries, as this would take away traffic from Chinese carriers.
The only foreign pax carrier currently taking advantage of 5th freedom rights is NW with flights from PVG/PEK to NRT. UA has withdrawn all China-Japan flights, this April instead concentrating on direct flights from the US.
Is QR actually allowed to sell flights on the PVG-ICN leg because it doesn't come up on QR's web site as being able to book just that leg.