Moose1226 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1850 times:
I was playing with the great circle mapper and this occured to me. SYD-EWR is only about 400 miles further than SIN-EWR. Although SIN-EWR is hypothetically less affected by winds because it is more of a north-south route, will the 772LR be able to do SYD-EWR? (Or I guess the better question is if it can do EWR-SYD). Keep in mind that this route WOULD be allowed under 180 minute ETOPS, so that is not a concern.
Even if this is technically possible, would any airline want to fly it?
7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1839 times:
the question is would the passenger want to fly it...i don't think i would because being in a plane for that long would drive me insane...although it would depend on what he business/first class is like. How much is it round trip on the SIN-EWR flight?
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Hz747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1825 times:
I have to disagree 7E72004--people are already flying the EWR-SIN flights, I would think the there is a crowd which is just resigned to the fact that the most direct route may mean 20 hours in the sky.
However, whoever takes up this route, and LHR-SYD, would have to offer the premium economy equivalent link Sinagpore does.
DfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1066 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1794 times:
How much is it round trip on the SIN-EWR flight?
SIN-EWR = 8,285 nm
SYD-JFK = 8,646 nm
Although SIN-EWR is hypothetically less affected by winds because it is more of a north-south route, will the 772LR be able to do SYD-EWR?
It could, but it would come close to the limits of the aircraft. I would estimate a 400nm wind penalty and another 400 nm for reserve fuel, which puts the trip distance at 9,400 nm.
9,400 nm happens to be the point at which the 772LR can carry 300 passengers and bags the furthest, with no other cargo. It would probably be more ecomonical to reduce passenger capacity a little (~260-ish) and in return have the option to carry revenue cargo or lower the probablity of an emergency fuel stop. Also, removing a seat row or two adds pitch, which is a plus on a 18+ hour flight.
Or I guess the better question is if it can do EWR-SYD
Again it could, but JFK-SYD would be a much more logical routing for an airline like QF. For QF, they can fly to their U.S. domestic codeshare partner (AA) who has lots of connecting flights via JFK. AA has very little presence at EWR.
If CO or SQ aquired 772LR, SYD-EWR would be a more appropriate routing.
LUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1670 times:
With the 772LR SYD-JFK is very possible because of favorable winds to push the aircraft along, however, JFK-SYD is not possible even with the 772LR unless the aircraft removes alot of seats like Singapore did with their 345's to fly to EWR & LAX from SIN. If the 772LR has about 200 seats instead of the suggested 301, it could definitely make the trip.
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