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User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

EL AL will start installing an Israeli-developed anti-missle system on its aircraft in December "beginning with one Boeing jet, " according to Tel Aviv daily Haartez.

If the experiment proves sucessful, six other aircraft will be fitted with the system. Reportedly, EL AL plans to ultimately equip all its aircraft with the devices.

Scary stuff!

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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 2076 times:

This story seems to resurface every three months...

User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

I thought their planes already had this stuff...

User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2895 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

The existing system consists of infrared choppers that "confuse" the heat-seaking missiles.

From NLC-dailynewsletter>

El Al will start installing an Israeli-developed antimissile system on its aircraft in Dec. "beginning with one Boeing jet," according to Tel Aviv daily Haaretz.

If the experiment proves successful, six other aircraft will be fitted with the system, the newspaper said in an unsourced report in its online edition Wednesday. Reportedly, El Al ultimately plans to equip its entire fleet with the devices.
The antimissile system is called Flight Guard and costs about $1 million per aircraft to install. It was developed by Israel Military Industries together with Elta Systems, a subsidiary of Israel Aircraft Industries. It is unclear whether the Israeli government will chip in to help cover the heady cost of refitting the El Al aircraft. The state no longer holds a stake in the privatized airline.

Flight Guard is designed to respond automatically to an approaching heat-seeking missile, firing flares that act as decoys and divert the missile. Israeli military aircraft have been using the system for years for flights under threat from heat-seeking antiaircraft and air-to-air missiles.

IMI has been working to increase the capability of the Flight Guard flare system and adjust it for use by civilian aircraft. Unlike those used on military aircraft, its flares cannot be discerned by the human eye when fired. This was an essential feature to avoid panic among passengers if they saw flares being fired



I scratch my head, therefore I am.
User currently offlineUTA_flyingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Apparently Arkia already has those installed on their fleet :

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Photo © William Ronciere


This is the aircraft that miraculously evaded 2 ground-to-air missiles in Kenya, prompting speculation of such equipment.

UTA



Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

I believe that U.S. manufacturers or airlines or government should take this step, however costly, it sure would rule-out a large number of threats against the industry and all those damn reports out on fox and cnn about possible ways to attack us.
Regards



Twinjets...if one fails, work the other one twice as hard!!!
User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 1984 times:

Singapore has actively investigated the use of Anti-missile countermeasures for SQ and other national airlines, but it's all hush-hush (for good reason) so no idea on when the entire SQ fleet has them


Now you're really flying
User currently offlineLY7E7 From Israel, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 1962 times:

I believe that U.S. manufacturers or airlines or government should take this step, however costly

The price tag is $1M for a mid-sized jet as B757.



2 things are endless: ignorance and space
User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1835 times:

Personnaly I would like to see El-Al not only put an anti-missile system, but some missiles of their own, to fight back with. Can you imagine a 747 coming in on a bombing raid?? Scary...

User currently offlineRatypus From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1801 times:

Any truth in the rumour that BA have fitted similar systems to some of their planes? When they cancelled flights to Nairobi back in 2003 (for about 5 months?) rumour was when they resumed service that some of the 744's had been fitted with anti-missile protection, in response to threats to bring down a British airliner on approach to Nairobi Keyatta....

Anyone know more about this?


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1785 times:

>>>Anyone know more about this?

No, but I don't think they'd be making any announcements either. Any installed IRCM systems should be easily discernable...


User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week ago) and read 1783 times:

This might sound silly but who would want to shoot down an airliner with 100s of innocent people aboard sounds like a step to far in my books but certain incidents involving missiles has made me think no mentioning any airline or country involved in these incidents.



On a wing and a prayer
User currently offlineBigblack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

I believe that U.S. manufacturers or airlines or government should take this step, however costly, it sure would rule-out a large number of threats against the industry and all those damn reports out on fox and cnn about possible ways to attack us.


The problem is our goverment is not really interested in totally protecing us, especially when it is not economically viable. They roll the dice with us and see what they get away with, until something tragic happens, and they have to make a change.



Someone special in the air
User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

A very good decision irrespective of the cost,considering the Environment where Israel is located.
But what would be the Weight penalty involved.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1709 times:

There is a system already installed and being installed on two us carriers that I am aware of, but these aircraft are flown on intl routes. I do know they were not installed in the U.S. There is about a 8 inch red paint line indicating for ramp ops to stay clear. I havent seen this, but i am told there is no way this can discharge while on a ramp or runway and is not yet even serviceable by the a/l themselves. You know rumors but the cost was about 500,000 per aircraft. There are only 6 so far that have retrofitted and they are not boeings...


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineBigblack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Well, like I felt about Air Marshalls after 9/11, I feel regardless of cost our goverment should be spending whatever to protect the it's citizens and all the good people who work in the air.


Someone special in the air
User currently offlineAirbusCanada From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1686 times:

the experiment proves sucessful, six other aircraft will be fitted with the system. Reportedly, EL AL plans to ultimately equip all its aircraft with the devices

how are they going to test it? Shoot some SA-14 or Stinger while landing?


[Edited 2004-11-26 06:05:01]

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