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ANA And The 7E7  
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

ANA will buy 30 7E7-3, 300-seat, one-class aircraft for the domestic market, and 20 7E7-8, long-haul, 230-seat, two-class aircraft for international routes such as NRT-LAX. The aircraft will allow new routes to be opened to minor cities not previously served, such as to DEN.

Hmm...offering 1 class seating, will this work? Doesn't AA operate a 757 from BOS-MAN, in 1 class format? I think that flight for AA does pretty well.

Side note: The 7E7-8 variant was priced at a list price of $120 million per copy, shocking the industry. Launch customer ANA is rumored to have received a 50% discount, though that may never be easily confirmed. Could any carrier that was the 1st to order received the same deal ANA got?


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Read what you posted. One class seating for DOMESTIC.

Hmm...offering 1 class seating, will this work? Doesn't AA operate a 757 from BOS-MAN, in 1 class format? I think that flight for AA does pretty well.

No, they dont, and if they did it still couldn't be compared to ANA domestic.



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User currently offlineRen41 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Hmm...offering 1 class seating, will this work? Doesn't AA operate a 757 from BOS-MAN, in 1 class format? I think that flight for AA does pretty well.

No, they dont, and if they did it still couldn't be compared to ANA domestic.


AA BOS-MAN is on a one-class 752.


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

My bad, I wasnt aware they had reconfigured to one class. The route was seasonal ending in October, right? And still, no ANA long haul flight will have one class seating.


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26718 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

The BOS-MAN route is sold as 1 class but is on a 2 class airplane. They put elites and full fare Y PAX in the domestic first seats up front and everyone else in the back.


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 hour ago) and read 2165 times:

ANA is re-introducing domestic superseat (equivalent to US first class) back into their 763s this winter, so 7E7s may not be one-class. ANA has gone back and forth on premium class on 767-size aircraft, so until the first commercial flight takes place, it is still up in the air.

With the current situation at NRT, I would doubt NRT-LAX will go 7E7 as that would mean yet another capacity cut (currently it's 772ER with 744 subbed on occasions). The firm order will not change but the types break-down could be amended in the future depending on the situation/traffic of the Japanese airports around 2010.

For example,
1) If everything goes well at NGO, ANA could start a few int'l runs from NGO to say China, Asia, LAX, ORD, or other Star Alliance hub routes.
2) If no further expansion is done at NRT, there will be no need for 7E7-8s there except to replace the 763ERs. The 20 7E7-8s could be converted to 7E7-3s.
3) If HND gets the fourth runway and large scale int'l routes are allowed, then 744D can be replaced with 7E7s to introduce half-hourly flights on the busy HND-CTS/FUK corridors plus we may see intercontinental flying with 7E7-8. Another scenario is that int'l flying out of HND will be limited to a 2,000 nm radius similar to what's done at NYC's LGA.

As a sidenote, ANA ordered 18 321 in the mid-1990s and ended up taking only 7, converted three into 320, cancelled the rest, and those are now slated for retirement in a few years. Anticipating expansion at NRT, ANA also ordered 5 A343 which they ended up canceling because they ended up going with the 772ER instead.

Anything could happen in the next 4 years plus, so we can throw around a lot of ideas. Also four years ago did we anticipate anything like 9-11 or SARS?


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