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Why Is UA Not Defending LAX Against CO?  
User currently offlinePilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Continental is planning a very substantial expansion at LAX for 2005, mostly tourist destinations in California, Colorado and Mexico. American said they will respond. Is UAL just going to sit idle while this takes place?

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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

American needs to respond with a daily to RDU.. it's long overdue!


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

UA is having some problems with Express Carriers..I dont think the can do much about it.. There aren't any plans besides Montrose CO and 3 Mexico cities are there ???

FAT-IAH is rumored to be the next Coex dest. anyone know how BFL-IAH is doing ???


User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

I think Cospn hit it right on the nose. They will probably respond with UAEX, just as the expansion from CO is all COEX at this time.


Flying is a privilege!
User currently offlinePilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5858 times:

Montrose and 3 Mexican cities are official. Palm Springs is rumored. But there is no way in hell that the expansion is going to stop there.

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5849 times:

I hate to be the person who asks but, are there any sources or are these expansion talks just rumors?
I've heard the FAT-IAH route but nothing else big about LAX.
SR



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User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5784 times:

The COEX expansion into MEX from LAX is a done deal. I helped build the routes, and I believe we are selling seats on them already.


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User currently offlineLAXINTL From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5683 times:

Even with CO's expansion at LAX their total ops is quite a bit smaller than AA and certainly UA's.
However UA does happen to be adding additional Mexico flying from both SFO and LAX this winter.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

"Montrose and 3 Mexican cities are official. Palm Springs is rumored. But there is no way in hell that the expansion is going to stop there."

There will probably be some more expansion, but it's highly unlikely that CO's old home will regain even focus city status - CO management is big on keeping the airline focused on its core strengths (IAH, EWR, and CLE), and will shutter the LAX services in a heartbeat if the alternative is a major bloodbath with another legacy carrier.



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User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5580 times:

how is AA supposedly going to respond??

Thanks in AAdvance!!


User currently offline737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 365 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5545 times:

I fail to see how these four new routes are anything United should be concerned about or need to counteract. Continental at LAX is pretty small, I believe number seven behind UA, WN, AA, DL, NW and AS. These routes are also not served by other carriers, so it's not like their declaring war on another major by going after established routes. The day you see CO going LAX-SFO/DEN/ORD, then UA will have something to respond to.


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User currently offlineCRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

It may not be anything to worry about for UA at this point in terms of direct competition, but it's certainly a lost opportunity for UA not to capitalize on small markets in Mexico that have been proven very profitable for CO here in Houston...UA could definitely use it.

I still believe they will wise up and use UAEX to compete. After all they did say that they were going to focus on the international markets.



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

i agree with 737-990

there is not much to defend with CO going after these markets

in any event, if CO were to start flying LAX-SFO or LAX-LAS or LAX-MIA then I would definitely give them a shot...these are routes that i fly often, often, twice yearly respectively.



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5270 times:

Just because CO is adding a few P2P routes does not mean that they are "going after" LAX or attacking UA. LAX is a pretty broken up airport because of its location and O&D traffic (number 1 in the world), with lots of carriers competing. Given the nature of UA's ops vs. CO's, CO would have to completely restructure their ops to worry UA in the slightest. CO does not have flights to feed at LAX with their routes, except for HNL which is mostly O&D, with some funnel traffic from CLE, EWR and IAH, and already goes out full because of people traveling from to/from Guam.
In short, UA is not defending LAX because there is nothing to defend against



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User currently offlineWGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

It's rather interesting that Continental is adding more point to point flights to what used to be their main base of operations and World Headquarters...nice to see Continental returning to its routes. It's interesting to note however that Continental's original stronghold, a network of local roots between New Mexico, Colorado and the west of Texas, has been totally obliterated over time. Few airlines have shifted their geographical focal points around as much as Continental.

-WGW2707

[Edited 2004-11-28 07:17:25]

User currently offlineMav75 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 228 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

CoEx already serves PSP from IAH.

User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

The BFL-IAH and IAH-BFL flights are doing very well... Generally yielding at least an 85% load factor in each direction ( Some flights going out 95-100% too depending on certain dates and times )


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User currently offlinePilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4431 times:

At this point and time, COs ops at LAX are not strong. But like I said, little by little, their presence is going to increase. This is going to happen quick.

User currently offlineLaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4365 times:
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Has Co thought about the following:

IAH-BUR-IAH, either mainline or express, would do extremely well, even EWR?.

Or a point to point like LAX-PHL-LAX or is out of the question with the closeness of EWR to PHL? Was thinking someone might want to start thinking about that line with the uncertantity of US.


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

What is united going to say?

"don't you DARE enter LAX to Oxnard or we'll... we'll... we'll"

-n


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4172 times:

Anyone have any flight and aircraft info on expanded CO flights?

User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

I think that UA and CO are starting to compete heavily out of LAX to Mexican Destinations. I think ultimately that both of them will take the rites to LAX-ACA and that UA will up its service from LAX-ZIH from once a week to 3 times then 5 times then 7 times. I then think that CO and UA will be good competitors out of LAX to Mexican Destinations but I still think that AS will be at the top. By the way does anybody know who has the rights to LAX-ACA if anybody does??

Thanks in AAdvance!!


User currently offlineLAXINTL From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25049 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

Delta has rights to LAX-ACA. Left over from Western days. DL operated the route until a few years ago.


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Western, then Delta, flew LAX-ACA into the mid 1990s.

Maybe I am missing something here, but I do not see a huge competition developing at LAX on the Mexican routes......Alaska is the dominant US player, AM and MX serve the markets as well, America West has opened some routes with super-sized regional jets, and now CO is looking at some niche markets and UA will add limited service here and there mainly as weekend operations. I do not foresee CO jumping into the mainline competition to the Mexican resort cities......instead they will utilize regional jets on certain routes (where there is no competition and some business traffic) where there is lots of money to be made due to good yeilds.

As mentioned above, aside from a unqiue niche opportunities, CO is not looking to expand point to point services and will continue to focus on its EWR, IAH and CLE hubs......I do not think that a major build up of services out of LAX is in CO's plans.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3734 times:

Doesanyone in here it might just be a springboard for the return of a CO hub in LA? Ahhh...memories of the pre-Lorenzo days....*sigh*


Next trip: SLC-DEN-SLC-PHX-JFK-LAX-SLC with my wife and oldest daughter. F9 to and from DEN, US to JFK, AA 321 and CR7
25 Aaway : Seems to me UA has nothing to defend against...at the moment. Unless the information regarding expansion is publicly known, how is UA to respond to a
26 EA CO AS : If CO does offer service from LAX to Mexico, I can see them being offered at times/days that complement the large existing AS service to/from Mexico f
27 Aaway : For anyone not familiar, on 12/16/2004 COEX will begin service between LAX and AGU, BJX, and MLM.
28 SESGDL : UA is not defending LAX against CO because CO poses no real threat to their operations at LAX. It's gonna take a lot more than a few regional-operated
29 Flyboyaz : HP will be starting mainline service from LAX to ACA on Saturdays only beginning Dec.18. It's already selling great..the first day it's full. Does DL
30 AAplatnumflier : Would you happen to know which aircraft that is being operated by?? Thanks in AAdvance!!
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