Pilotcoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5998 times:
Continental is planning a very substantial expansion at LAX for 2005, mostly tourist destinations in California, Colorado and Mexico. American said they will respond. Is UAL just going to sit idle while this takes place?
Avek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5622 times:
"Montrose and 3 Mexican cities are official. Palm Springs is rumored. But there is no way in hell that the expansion is going to stop there."
There will probably be some more expansion, but it's highly unlikely that CO's old home will regain even focus city status - CO management is big on keeping the airline focused on its core strengths (IAH, EWR, and CLE), and will shutter the LAX services in a heartbeat if the alternative is a major bloodbath with another legacy carrier.
737-990 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 365 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5545 times:
I fail to see how these four new routes are anything United should be concerned about or need to counteract. Continental at LAX is pretty small, I believe number seven behind UA, WN, AA, DL, NW and AS. These routes are also not served by other carriers, so it's not like their declaring war on another major by going after established routes. The day you see CO going LAX-SFO/DEN/ORD, then UA will have something to respond to.
CRPilot From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5498 times:
It may not be anything to worry about for UA at this point in terms of direct competition, but it's certainly a lost opportunity for UA not to capitalize on small markets in Mexico that have been proven very profitable for CO here in Houston...UA could definitely use it.
I still believe they will wise up and use UAEX to compete. After all they did say that they were going to focus on the international markets.
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5270 times:
Just because CO is adding a few P2P routes does not mean that they are "going after" LAX or attacking UA. LAX is a pretty broken up airport because of its location and O&D traffic (number 1 in the world), with lots of carriers competing. Given the nature of UA's ops vs. CO's, CO would have to completely restructure their ops to worry UA in the slightest. CO does not have flights to feed at LAX with their routes, except for HNL which is mostly O&D, with some funnel traffic from CLE, EWR and IAH, and already goes out full because of people traveling from to/from Guam.
In short, UA is not defending LAX because there is nothing to defend against
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WGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5018 times:
It's rather interesting that Continental is adding more point to point flights to what used to be their main base of operations and World Headquarters...nice to see Continental returning to its routes. It's interesting to note however that Continental's original stronghold, a network of local roots between New Mexico, Colorado and the west of Texas, has been totally obliterated over time. Few airlines have shifted their geographical focal points around as much as Continental.
AAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3885 times:
I think that UA and CO are starting to compete heavily out of LAX to Mexican Destinations. I think ultimately that both of them will take the rites to LAX-ACA and that UA will up its service from LAX-ZIH from once a week to 3 times then 5 times then 7 times. I then think that CO and UA will be good competitors out of LAX to Mexican Destinations but I still think that AS will be at the top. By the way does anybody know who has the rights to LAX-ACA if anybody does??
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3815 times:
Western, then Delta, flew LAX-ACA into the mid 1990s.
Maybe I am missing something here, but I do not see a huge competition developing at LAX on the Mexican routes......Alaska is the dominant US player, AM and MX serve the markets as well, America West has opened some routes with super-sized regional jets, and now CO is looking at some niche markets and UA will add limited service here and there mainly as weekend operations. I do not foresee CO jumping into the mainline competition to the Mexican resort cities......instead they will utilize regional jets on certain routes (where there is no competition and some business traffic) where there is lots of money to be made due to good yeilds.
As mentioned above, aside from a unqiue niche opportunities, CO is not looking to expand point to point services and will continue to focus on its EWR, IAH and CLE hubs......I do not think that a major build up of services out of LAX is in CO's plans.