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Montrose, CO Corporate Jet Crash  
User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 23
Posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10361 times:

Afternoon...

Denver's KUSA is reporting a Gulfstream jet has crashed on takeoff from Montrose, CO...No further details, but it is linked off their main webpage:

http://www.9news.com/

JD


"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 10187 times:

Belonged to MTJ Air Services?

http://www.casperstartribune.net/apdata/wire_detail.php?wire_num=72806


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Don't think so, that was likely the FBO that was handling the aircraft there. I've looked at about 6 different Colorado sources and the same article is there, word for word.

The only Gulfstream I showed departing MTJ was a blocked Gulf 5 due out at 1900z to TEB and the crash happened just before 1800z from the sound of things...

Jeffrey



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 10046 times:

Showing how the media jumped on this a bit, kusa's site is now saying earlier reports of casualties are not confirmed.

Also hearing that it wasn't a Gulfstream, but a Challenger...

JD



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9930 times:

Further update from the Rocky Mountain New site...

"The plane was on its way to South Bend, Ind. Kenitzer identified it as a CL-60 Challenger owned and operated by Global Aviation of Los Angeles, a charter service company."

GLB73 was the flight number, reg. still to be deciphered (N604VM possible?)...sister ship GLB39 (N39CD) is currently enroute to ACY...

Jeffrey



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineLegalEagle From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9888 times:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-11-28-gulfstream-colorado_x.htm


We have clearance clarence roger Roger!
User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9623 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9845 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
PHOTO SCREENER

maybe a charter coming from the USC-Notre Dame game?

User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9786 times:

Royal,

Certainly a possibility. The plane was in VNY yesterday according to Red1Aviation's flight tracking source...

Jeffrey



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9772 times:

Same topic is being discussed in another forum. Also that gulfstream would not need to stop unless the passengers wanted it to. If anyone has the reg# than I might have a picture of it as I was at VNY yesterday racking up some hours.
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1838747/


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9737 times:

Same topic was started here an hour prior than the other forum and it's not a Gulfstream as stated in that other forum...

Totally agree that the Challenger wouldn't have had to stop for fuel under normal flight circumstances. It certainly has the range to go VNY-SBN. It was to go to Oxford, CT according to Red1's flight tracker, MTJ-SBN-OXC.

Jeffrey



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineLegalEagle From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9697 times:

Just found out the NBC sports chairman Dick Ebersol was on the flight and is one of the survivors.


We have clearance clarence roger Roger!
User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 9687 times:

Someone must like him. I still find it unusual that it did stop though.

User currently offlineLegalEagle From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9647 times:

It appears that Dick Ebersol's son attends Notre Dame, it is quite possible that he was on the aircraft as well.


We have clearance clarence roger Roger!
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9604 times:

Rich VIP's visiting Telluride probably, MTJ is the only airport close to Telluride capable of handling larger aircraft.

User currently offlineSkyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1066 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9585 times:

According to the local NBC channel in NYC, Ebersol was on the plane with two of his sons and on the way to Indiana to visit the one that goes to Notre Dame. The two pilot were killed but no word on the condition of the rest of the people on board.

User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9361 times:

N873G heres the a/c cl600... registered out of .....fll


i can see for 80 miles
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 9320 times:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,139808,00.html

User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1980 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8764 times:

JetJeanes, et al...

Little bit more specific, a CL601, cn 3009, and based at FXE, Ft. Lauderdale-Executive. It had the registration N651AC (Air Castle) reserved...

One small note to add...I wonder if anyone in the news media is going to look closer at reports before publishing them. Go to the foxnews link that AA777jr posted and you may note above to the right that "6 killed in Colo. plane crash" link...The MTJ services girl who gave the briefing earlier about it being a Gulfstream and 6 being onboard and dead gave some duff info (thankfully for the 3 that have apparently survived)...

Jeffrey



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8716 times:

> Go to the foxnews link that AA777jr posted and you may note above to the right that "6 killed in Colo. plane crash" link...<

Fox was wrong, as usual. They fixed it more recently. Their were 6 onboard, with the 2 confirmed dead being the pilots, Ebersol and 2 others surviving and more info needed on the 6th.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8065 times:

CNN is reporting one of Ebersol's sons is missing. Not a good sign. One can only hope for the best.


Heia Norge!
User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7918 times:

espn is reporting during the half time of the den-oak game that one son survived and another son is missing...all the others are reported dead.....


bus driver.......move that bus:)
User currently offlineSidestickA320 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

yahoo's reporting it too...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/ap/20041129/ap_on_re_us/jet_crash


User currently offlineAAplatnumflier From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7679 times:

These are all very confusing as they say or said different things. Also lets hope for the best for that one unfortunate son fo Dick Ebersol!!

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

These are all very confusing as they say or said different things.

Only natural, as plane crashes are by nature confusing occurences.

I'm more inclined to think the more updated the info, the more reliable it is, though. Latest I've seen is the info about Ebersol surviving, one son surviving and one missing. That's more than likely true at this point... we can only hope the second son survived as well.



I'm tired of being a wanna-be league bowler. I wanna be a league bowler!
User currently offlinePHLapproach From Philippines, joined Mar 2004, 1243 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

My friend Mike's (Jalto27R) Sister goes to ND, and yes the a/c was heading to SBN to drop the son off at the school. My friend's sister has the son in one of her classes.

25 Post contains links F9Widebody : Pictures and video... http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=806e4c4b-0abe-421a-00b9-511d6b0b8772&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-00
26 Jalto27R : Yes, my sister attends Notre Dame and is in a class with the son. He was being flown back to school for the start after Thanksgiving break.
27 Qwerty : According to the Associated Press, here is the charter company. I do not think either of the two reg numbers posted above is correct. http://www.jetal
28 AirEMS : Very sad my team had to transport a survivor from there to Denver in our fixed wing if you saw it on the news it was the Orange King Air 200 R/N 203LG
29 Qwerty : AirEMS, Good to have cockpit and flight nurse people like yourself around in both fixed wings and helos. At FBOs, local 'ports, and online ... Blue sk
30 A340Spotter : Qwerty, N873G has been confirmed as the accident aircraft. It had the registration N651AC reserved, per the FAA aircraft registry page. Registered own
31 Post contains links Dl757md : CNN is reporting that 14 year-old Edward Ebersol has been presumed dead. They also state that the aircraft was not de-iced prior to the flight. http:/
32 Cicadajet : The jetalliance website only shows N39CD in its section for Challenger, but it makes sense they would have another. Does anyone know why the Truck own
33 OPNLguy : >>>Does anyone know why the Truck owner who tried to help the victims was arrested? Hadn't heard that... New reports said that the aircraft had gone t
34 Post contains links OPNLguy : An interesting article, from Nov. 1st, FWIW... http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_bca_story.jsp?id=news/ice21104.xml
35 Mojo89 : Great article OPNL. I think sometimes we have a tendency to not pay as much attention to proper deicing as we should. Just because it's sprayed doesn'
36 Post contains images F9Fan : MSNBC reported that authorities found an unidentified body at the crash site. They did not identify the body, but they suspect it is the missing 14 ye
37 Ua777222 : Isn't there some regulation and or rule that the charter company sets for its crew members? I mean yeah thats great that the PIC doesn't feel that the
38 Hemispheres : F9Fan, How do you read the accident report? KMTJ 281711Z AUTO 35006KT 1SM-SN OVC011 M02/M02 A2967
39 OPNLguy : >>> How do you read the accident report? That's not the accident report, just the weather observation around the time of the accident.. KMTJ- Airport
40 Centurion493 : This is not an accident report it is a metar weather report for MTJ. Basically, it sez that on the 28 at 1711 zulu, an automated weather report report
41 Post contains links A340Spotter : The preliminary accident report is currently available on the faa.gov site, hope the link works... Mentions Global Aviation GLB73 as the call sign, N8
42 Post contains links OPNLguy : Some updated info.. http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/30/ebersol.crash/index.html
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