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Airbus Delays Launch-decision For A 350...  
User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7993 times:

Airbus has announced to pronounce a decision regarding the go-ahead for the launch of the A 350 before the end of 2004. A formal decision expected today has been postponed to december without giving any date.


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User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7804 times:

Do you happen to have a source? A few days/weeks is hardly a delay if you ask me...


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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7762 times:

An article in La tribune (french ) speaks about a dec. 10 decision date..
http://www.latribune.fr/Tribune/Articles.nsf/ArticlesWeb/ID19CBC1AC8C73B872C1256F5B004BCC92?OpenDocument



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User currently offlineHelp From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

Is there any images of how its planned to be for me to see of the A350 , because I haven't heard or no much about the A350 yet

Regards
David



Regard David
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7704 times:

EADS had a meeting today and according to them:

A350 will be an upgraded A330, range apx. 14.000 km and $ 10M cheaper than B7E7. In other words bigger than 7E7 but shorter range.

Micke/SE  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7692 times:

....and the A350 rollout will be in 2007!

Micke



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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7640 times:

G'day

"un A350 à capacité et rayon d'action supérieurs à ceux du futur Boeing" in my understanding of French means bigger AND longer range than the 7e7.

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineNealcg From United States of America, joined May 2004, 141 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7610 times:

More rumors,

Some Software designers who work for me at Boeing are hearing some scuttelbutt that the 747-adv go-ahead announcment will happen inside of 60 days, and will include 1-2 launch partners (JAL?)



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7596 times:

7E7 range (ca) 15,400 km / 217 pax. Cost: $ 4,5 Bn

A350 range 13.900-14.000 km / 250 pax. Cost: $ 3,5 Bn

Source; EuroNews & EADS meeting in München today.

Micke



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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7532 times:

Again Solnabo proves my point all of a sudden Airbus has changed the A350 again after 2 days. Refer to post in "Interesting A350 News"

So, Solnabo, Airbus is now selling their A350s at $110 mil list price?



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7507 times:

Dont bark at me, I´m only the messenger, okay?

Jeeeeehhhh  Insane

Micke



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8191 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7490 times:

How many orders for a comparable 330 does A have scheduled for delivery when the 350 hits production? They seem to have a built in "initial sales" level simply by converting these 330s to 350s for free, or at a discount. A good start for the 350 if they go ahead with it.

User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

I don't think Airbus has changed anything....

I haven't heard a word from Airbus, regarding the A350  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7443 times:

If it were bigger than the 7E7 like the french says, they wouldn't be targeting the same niche. They would eb competing against the 777 and therefore the 340 too. I think this is just a marketing stunt. I will be very close to the Boeing product. Not bigger and longer, about the same, if they go too crazy, they'll be building a 340 advanced.
Anyway, maybe they are having second thoughts on if they can compete with such a revolutionary a/c.
SR
A350, common with which family???



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8943 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

7E7 range (ca) 15,400 km / 217 pax. Cost: $ 4,5 Bn

A350 range 13.900-14.000 km / 250 pax. Cost: $ 3,5 Bn


That would make it a 7E7-9 competitor, an A340-200 substitute, and fill in a niche between the A332 and the A333, IMO.

PPVRA




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User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7279 times:

So they are going to slash the price of the A350 making it much less than the A330, increase the range, and roll it out in 2007, along with the work remaining to be done on the A380.

Gotta admit they are ambitious.



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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

come on....
give airbus a break, first the have taken over the whole market buy giving the airlines the long range family of the A330 and the A350....the short to medium range family of the A319, A320 and the A321 and they will be competting with the A380 witch is a long range high capicitey airliner...so what ever design airbus choose for the A350, will be not only competing with Boeing but will also competing with their own airliners...which can be good or not?

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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7096 times:

sorry i made a mistake, i ment the family of the Airbus A330 and A340


Aer Lingus Airbus A330-300
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

Lets see what EADS has to say Dec 10! It´s not decided yet, but I think it will be a big thumb up for Airbus to start building the 350  Big thumbs up

I got my pom-poms ready  Big grin

Micke



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User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

If Airbus or EADS was serious on this matter they would have approved it today. So what is the reason for delaying this?

Airbus is foolish spending the 4-5 billion on a project that there is no certainty or guarantee of whether it will be good enough to compete. even Boeing is not sure... so very foolish and it's going to be rushed... they should wait till the 7E7 design is at least firm or first flight... to only better that...

The details of the A350 is only going to motivate Boeing... so this will help Boeing more than it will for Airbus.

Again, Airbus should wait a year or two till the 7E7 design is firm... and who knows, the EADS board could very well be thinking of whether there is a need to have the A350 this decade to begin with...



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5182 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6895 times:

My question is whether Airbus is planning for a competitor for the 7E7-3, which is designed to replace the 757-200 and the 767-200 (non-ER). The A321 is simply a stretched A320 and is not the revolutionary aircraft that the 7E7-3 is.

User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

Think about a two-way approach: tackle the B7e7 now with an A330-200/300 derivate which incorporates a higher range and some other features for EIS in 2007/8 to keep some customers, and a completely new plane family for EIS 2012/13 to replace the A330-200/300, A300/310 and A340-200/300 (and the younger B767-300s and older B777-200/200ERs).


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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6827 times:

If nobody knows what the design for the A350 will be...nobody really does know what it is competting against, of course the most obvious thing would be to have a compettitor for the 7E7, but its anyones guess (am i right in saying this?)

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User currently offlineRj111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6560 times:

My question is whether Airbus is planning for a competitor for the 7E7-3, which is designed to replace the 757-200 and the 767-200 (non-ER).

The 7e7-3 cetainly wont replace 757's one for one. A 7e3 is the same size as an A300.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

Is it possible that Airbus might be focussing the A350 on it´s

customers´reqirements, the market situation & value for money considerations

instead of the "me too" kind of stuff from some 7e7 superstar believers here suggest?

Just a thought..


25 PPVRA : Ckfred, 7E7 range (ca) 15,400 km / 217 pax. Cost: $ 4,5 Bn A350 range 13.900-14.000 km / 250 pax. Cost: $ 3,5 Bn If this is any indication of the 350,
26 Post contains images Knoxibus : IIRC, Forgeard already mentioned in the past that they targeted a higher payload in terms of pax for the A350, compared to the 7E7. At least this is w
27 A350 : Anyway, it's a bad time for Airbus to start a new program. They have invested a lot into the development of the 380 and gained a lot of expeience, but
28 DfwRevolution : But when you look at the 707, there is actually no revolutionary evolutions compared to the 7E7, especially in terms of design. That is waaay false. W
29 Post contains images Glideslope : I would say that Airbus clearly is in a state of chaos. 1) The A380. Let's just say she is "growing" by the day. Airlines are very nervous about the
30 DfwRevolution : 4) The 747 adv may take orders away from the 380. There are a lot of carriers interested in an airframe smaller than the 380. Airbus is well aware of
31 MidnightMike : It terms of marketing, smart move to delay the A350 till December, it could steal the thunder of potential 7E7 sales and they have another month to ge
32 Aither : "2) How long ago was Airbus claiming the 7E7 was irrevelent? " Actually they said the 7E7 was a response to the A330 / A340 so i don't think - and nev
33 Hoya : My only question is what will happen to the A400M military transport aircraft? Is Airbus going to develop two aircraft at once then? The A400M, if I'm
34 FCKC : To recapitulate , there are two options for this A350. -1 An A330-200 with new wings and new engines (those of the 7E7) ready to be delivered in 2007.
35 Post contains images Solnabo : Why shouldn´t Airbus make 2 a/c at once; A400M to be developed in Spain and A350 in France or Germany? This is me guessing! € 0,02 Micke
36 Planemaker : "But when you look at the 707, there is actually no revolutionary evolutions compared to the 7E7, especially in terms of design." "That is waaay false
37 DfwRevolution : However, even those related 7E7 manufacturing points you bring up are in fact just evolutionary and not "revolutionary"... Revolution in context rare
38 Bill142 : So they are going to slash the price of the A350 making it much less than the A330, increase the range, and roll it out in 2007, along with the work r
39 Post contains links Clickhappy : Time for a history lesson. Then he ran through some peripheral 7E7 features that Boeing touts: the cool exterior look and interior decor, the high win
40 Post contains images Planemaker : "For all intrinsic purposes, modern aircraft have nothing in common with aircraft of 50 years ago other than exterior appearance." "Nothing in common"
41 N328KF : The A400M has issues of its own. Why do you think the RAF ordered 5 C-17s?
42 StickShaker : ..."So they are going to slash the price of the A350 making it much less than the A330, increase the range, and roll it out in 2007, along with the w
43 A350 : Updating an existing airframe with new wings & engines - not particularly ambitious at all. Derivatives can be produced much quicker and cheaper than
44 M27 : "It just makes no sense to do existing things again. You replace what you can make better now, i.e. the parts now made of composites. The rest, you ca
45 Hoya : The 737NG is not inferior to the A320, sales over the past few years prove that. By pursuing the A350, Airbus is proving that its own strategy, the A3
46 DfwRevolution : You mean sorta like the 737NG is not inferior to the A320 series? For all practical purposes, the 737NG is a new design. It just makes no sense to do
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