Palmjet From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 1233 posts, RR: 15 Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4700 times:
Having read the interesting thread about memories of PSA, I wondered whether those who are old enough to recall, could tell us about their memories of flights/images of Air Florida, who ceased ops in 1984.
Most will remember the terrible crash of the B737-200, flight 90 out of DCA in 1982, but what about other memories? Did anyone fly on the DC-10s to Europe?
What were flights to places like San Pedro Sula and Port-au-Prince like?
Did anyone fly on their DC-9-15s on intra-florida flights? Gainesville/Ocala/Marathon....etc?
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
>>>What were flights to places like San Pedro Sula and Port-au-Prince like?
Never went to PAP, but when I was at QH we operated a daily MIA-TGU-SAP-MIA rotation, and I rode it for route qualifications one year. We were in a leased Air Europe aircraft (G-BJFH, I think.), and what I saw when we landed at TGU was exactly what you see in some of the photos here on A.net. The place is surrounded by mountains, and the military side of the airport had lots of old DC-3s and C-46s parked there.
As we landed at SAP, I noticed a little sandbagged installation near the end of the runway, and what looked like the old standard .50-caliber machine gun behind it. I didn't see any personnel manning it. When we shutdown at the gate area, I immediately noticed alot of activity on the ramp. Not just the usual aircraft servicing stuff, but people just milling about, including animals. No such thing as airport fences down there I guess...
MxCtrlr From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 2485 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4491 times:
Did anyone fly on their DC-9-15s on intra-florida flights? Gainesville/Ocala/Marathon
As I recall, we never operated the 9's into MTH (that was a city we picked up in the Air Sunshine merger, along with EYW and Kissimmee - which QH didn't operate). The -15's were fun little airplanes to ride on but a pain in the butt to work as an F/A (I filled in as one from time to time and getting two drinks per pax out, with 85 seats filled - a full load - from MIA-TPA or TPA-TLH, was a real pain in the butt). That was in the days before remaining seated until above 10,000 feet. We were on our feet and working the galleys as soon as the No Smoking sign went off (yes, they actualy allowed smoking in those days!).
As the operation grew, the airline, while still fun to work at, lost some of its "small airline charm". Back in 1977-78, we knew most of the regular pax by first name and vice-versa. We knew just about everyone in the system (at the airports at least) and partied with many of them on weekends. The airport crews at MIA, TPA, GNV, TLH, DAB, etc were a great bunch of people who really enjoyed working for QH.
The daily pressure was unbelievable but, in hindsight, it was a blast to work there! We didn't have any gates to call our own (we usually used D-4, D-6, 8 & 10 (when Braniff didn't have a flight at those last three), D-12 and occassionally, D-5, 7 & 9 (from EA)). After deregulation, we started using F-4, 6 & 8 and at one point used gates on concourses D, E, F, G & H - sometimes all at the same time! It gave gate changes a whole new dimension - one that many of our pax at the time would probably sooner forget!
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MARCOS From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4438 times:
I picked them up in Guatemala City to fly to San Salvador in April of 1984. I believe the routing at that time was MIA-GUA-SAL-MIA. Aircraft was an older B-737 (100 series?). The flight attendant had a tuxedo type uniform with bow tie.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4366 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4409 times:
I flew on an Air Florida liveried 737 operated by Air Europe in 1982 (must have been just a few months after the Potomac crash). I don't know if the aircraft was wet-leased with Air Florida crew or dry-leased with a British crew - I'd guess the latter.
Those two trips are my only known trips on a 737-200 aircraft. If I ever want another one, I'd better book it soon before they disappear from mainstream airlines!
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4406 times:
Air Florida used to list on their route map routes from several cities to London in order to connect with the Miami flight. I guess Air Europe or other British operators acutally serviced the route for them.
JETSTREAM63 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4322 times:
I flew LGW/MIA/LGW on Air Florida in Dec. 1982 and it was an OK experience. The service was nothing special but it was my first DC-10 flight and I enjoyed it (N102TV both ways, a -30CF ex Trans America). From LGW, other airlines offered connections to cities such as BRU (British Island Airways).
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4733 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4189 times:
I suppose that is what they call good brand recognition, because the tails were green and blue with a thin white strip down the middle and a stylised "af" logo. It never had "Air Florida" emblazoned on it.
Xkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4097 times:
As a kid I flew Air Florida twice to SDQ via PAP and to POP via Turks and Caicos from NYC and MIA. The stop in turks and caicos was interesting because you could see the whole island (sand bar) when landing. PAP was not much fun because of a crowed plane with overweight and oversized carry-on bags. Back then, there were not many flights to POP so that was a novelty.
Their livery is one of my favorites. I am still searching for an Air Florida scale model for my collection. My last flight was on 1984 shortly before their demise.
I learned about the hug-and-spoke concept by reading an article in their inflight magazine describing how their Miami hub worked. That was a new concept right after deregulation.
FLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4077 times:
I flew on Air Florida LHR-MIA on a DC-10 sometime in the summer of either 82 or 83. The funny thing is that I know I did not fly to LHR on Air Florida, only back. I flew SFO-LHR on BA, I think. When we were ready to leave LHR, we were picked up by a taxi who took us to the airport. This is all because we were given a deal to fly on first class to MIA. At the time, one of the executives at Air Florida was a friend of my dad's and he "upgraded" us (not sure how it worked back then, my dad may have paid a small difference) to F from economy.
I don't recall much about the flight, other than it was uneventful. Other than that flight, I don't recall having flown on Air Florida again.
Fanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2056 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4005 times:
I flew AF as a charter between JFK and LHR. I flew on N0135F, a DC-10-30CF originally purchased by ONA but snapped up by Icelandic when the US carrier went belly-up. She is seen wearing an attractive compound livery. The interior, with 10-abreast seating, was a bit dated but the aircraft was comfortable nevertheless. Service was exceptional, by both the flight attendants and pilots. Headphones, hot towel, cold drinks, and a miniature bottle of wine were all served free of charge (and this flight cost me only $350 RT!). I have fond memories of the airline and this particular aircraft, which is still going strong as a freighter with Fed Ex.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5740 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3933 times:
I flew on N102TV (DC-10) while in Air Florida service from LAX-MIA-FRA (mustve been a charter). I LOVED that airplane. It looked like an overgrown 737 to me at the time (I was what, 3-4?) I still remember the green and blue cheatlines. Now if Bader can make me a model of it....*evil grin*
DB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 42
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3918 times:
I flew their B707 from MIA-PIE-MCO and PIE-MIA in January 1973 when they were operating as an intrastate carrier serving a triangular route with those airports. Airport/airline employees at MIA could fly on a $2 space available pass.
I later flew a 737 MIA-MBJ-MIA, paying normal fares, and the service was nice.
Photographing aircraft since the Earth was flat and on Airliners.net since #338
Capital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 42
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3909 times:
I flew with Air Florida in 1981 on LGW-MIA-LGW when the Florida holiday traffic used to go into MIA rather than Orlando!
Of course, we had the DC-10-30. As I was only 7 years old at the time, my memories are a bit sketchie, but on the flight home we were sat in the very last row and I can remember looking at my newly acquired Mickey Mouse watch as the engines throttled up to note the the time was exactly 9pm local time. The trip was also at the time of the the ATC strikes in the US. Our flight was packed due to the dispute as the flight had been merged with the FRA flight.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5740 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3804 times:
eugh, he killed off Pan Am just to bury Air Florida..what a croc, then PA BOD (Board of Idiots..errm..directors) hired on Russel Ray Jr. to save the airline, HELLLO! If the idiot can't save PSA from USAir what the h**l makes you think he's gunna save Big Blue??
FlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6823 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3684 times:
Yes, Air Florida did serve PNS.
The destinations varied over time, but included MSY, PFN, TLH, TPA and MIA(?).
After Air Florida's demise, some of these routes were eventually picked up by USAir as part of their express operations. US eventually would fly PNS-MSY, PNS-TLH and PNS-TPA. US has since abandoned PNS-MSY/TLH and will abandon PNS-TPA next month. DL will pick up PNS-TPA however with ERJ's.
Pensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3539 times:
Disappointing to see US Airways Express Beech1900s, gone forever from PNS. Why is US abandoning PNS-TPA? Yes, I remember the PNS-TLH/MSY flights. DL also had a PNS-MSY flight. At least the new DL PNS-TPA flights will bring a lower airfare and quicker flight time. And also have a bathroom on the aircraft.
25 AA B777-200
: Palmjet, When I was a kid I flew on a DC10 out of Miami into Amsterdam. I believe the jet was continuing to Brussels (and then straight back to Miami?
: Man, a lot of people here were duped into thinking they were flying Air France . Did Air Florida have the FL code before AirTran got it? Or was it QH
27 AA B777-200
: N1120a, Wasn't FL for Frontier? I thought Air Florida has always had the QH code. I could be wrong, maybe I'm getting old!
: >Wasn't FL for Frontier? I thought Air Florida has always had the QH code. I could be wrong, maybe I'm getting old!
: Didn't Midway #1 pick up AirFlorida's 737s?
: If the DC-9s did not fly into Marathon, what a/c type was used? I have a QH timetable from 1979 which shows routes from the 'keys to MIA. What is the
: If the idiot can't save PSA from USAir what the h**l makes you think he's gunna save Big Blue?? You might want to be careful when referring to Pan Am
: WGW2707 Other than Palm 90, can you provide some proof to your unsupported claim of "incedibly imcompetent pilots"?
: >>>With incredibly incompetent pilots and in general a strong laissez-faire attitude towards safety, we should be thankful that it has passed into his
: I dealt with Larry Wheaton and Roger Petit numerous times, and while the last minutes of Palm 90 demonstrated a well-studied lack of CRM with tragic c
: I remember reading a story in one of the national magazines that Mary Schiavo (shivers at her mention) wrote about the crew of Palm 90. She goes on to
: >>>"these pilots JUST came out of prop planes that hold no more than 9 people, what are they doing flying a 737?" As usual, Scary Mary didn't get it q
: I remember being at TPA in 76 and watching an old propeller driven plane taxi and take off. I thought at the time that it was a DC-6, but I may have b
: I was also thinking of the basic knowledge (I'm not sure if it was then) that you NEVER cozy up behind another plane to melt the ice/snow off the body
: Air Florida operated the Lockheed Electra back before deregulation, that is probably the old propeller driven plane you mean. It wasn't a DC-6. Larry
: I thought at the time that it was a DC-6 That would have been an L-188 Electra, used quite extensively by QH before getting the DC-9-15F's from AC. Mx
: What happened to the old Int'l route authorities Air Florida had from Miami? I know EA got the Miami-London route which has now passed on to AA, but w
42 AA B777-200
: Kkfla737, Miami-London was transfered to Eastern, then Continental and later on the Silverbirds moved in. UAL briefly operated Miami-London as well bu
: Didn't TWA have some MIA-Europe or Asia authority or something like that?
: ..how can someone who categorizes themselves in the 16-20 age group possibly make comments about how "lousy" an airline is that stopped flying probabl
: Way to sock it to the "man" palmjet, but beware, he is crew, and with as young as he is, he might do something brash
: Originally, Midway would have been granted the authority to fly to Europe after they bought Air Florida. In fact, Midway operated Air Florida's operat
: Cody, Thanks for clearing up the International side of the story here.
: Sadly, the only thing I remember about Air Florida is the "Splash" in the Potomac..... .... And my boss saying he used to work for them in Florida an
: "Originally, Midway would have been granted the authority to fly to Europe after they bought Air Florida. In fact, Midway operated Air Florida's opera