SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 24 Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 16587 times:
Hi Everyone,
I was in LH422 today from FRA to BOS on a B744. I had a right window (25K).
As we were on finals around 1,000ft we did a tight right turn, then a left
tight turn, and I felt and heard the engines revving up. Cool. My first aborted
landing on a B747. The captain then told us that he felt we were too close to
the plane in front of us and he decided to go around. We then landed safely
10 mins later.
Yes, I know, nothing so special about it and it happens every day...
...BUT what's cool about it is that you can watch it on the airport monitor:
Choose the 10-mile range at the bottom, date (Nov 29, 2004), time (13:50),
and press the Start Reply button. Our plane is the one at the
bottom right corner (click on it, you'll get the flight information on the right).
You'll see how a US A319 (from LGA) slots in right in front of us. The two
planes seem pretty close. At round 1,000ft we do a right turn, followed by a
left one as we're gaining altitude, while the A319 is landing.
Enjoy.
Tony
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EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 16428 times:
Yea, pretty cool. I've flown that landing many-many times jumpseating with my old airline. Not being a pilot, and its been several years, I always remember flying further south before starting the turn some where over the inlet at North Sciuate.
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ShovelAirlines From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 58 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 16299 times:
Very cool indeed. Thanks for the posting. It was fun to watch.
Airportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3063 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16200 times:
My girl, who works in Term C Gate, told me about the go-around. She is absolutely mad crazy about Lufthansa and their 747's (she flew it last March) that she is always looking for it coming in. I was the first person she called, naturally, being a pilot myself.
Very interesting, but none the less your typical go-around.
BIGBlack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 16166 times:
Wow great post! Fun and interesting. When you pulled up and hit about 3100 you pretty much flew over my house. lol. Second time around you had plenty of space between yourself and that US752, which BTW seemed to veer to the right at about 600 then right back on course
SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 24 Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 15931 times:
Hey guys,
Glad you enjoyed it.
BigBlack,
Thanks for pointing this out! I didn't actually pay attention to the
US752 during the second approach. Yes, it does seem pretty close to the
E145 in front of it and yes it does do the same swerving manoeuvre that
we did! Interesting...
Tony
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BCNGRO From Andorra, joined Oct 2004, 584 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14947 times:
Great post! Thanks for posting!
By the way, I've been watching JFK's Airport Monitor (http://www4.passur.com/jfk.html) and I've noticed some thing quite weird. Choose the 5-mile range, date (Nov 30, 2004) and time (06:14) and press start. You will see a B772 aproaching the airport on the right end of the screen. When it is on short finals you will see another B772 crossing at the same altitude and at the same place. Some seconds later the second aircraft disappears. I'm sure it's an error of the computer, but quite strange anyway
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SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 24 Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14854 times:
BCNGRO,
I've seen this scenario on the BOS monitor too. Sometimes a plane "splits up" into
two and, after a while, they join back. It does look weird though...
Tony
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Ourboeing From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 474 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13918 times:
Thanks for posting this. It was fun to watch on the airport monitor. I was in a similar situation too but in my case it was a Singapore Airlines 744 and it happened in NRT. Our plane was on the runway ready to touch down when the pilot realized that a small plane taking of ahead of us had aborted takeoff and our 744 aborted landing and took off at full throttle. It was the most amazing feeling, though most of the passengers freaked out
Another most amazing instances I can remember was taking off from SFO in a China Airlines 744. We were all set to take off and it was pouring down hard that night. Our plane was running down the runway to take off and it went into a bad left skid. The pilot decided to take off while we were skidding sideways. You could well imagine the screams of passengers during this rough take off. I think the crew did an awesome job leveling the jumbo pretty quickly.
I have flown a lot on 744s and I have never been more satisfied and felt safe on any other long range aircraft.
Mauilono From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12640 times:
WOW, first time i've watched Airport Monitor, pretty cool, thanks. I remember this past August I was on an AA 738 from LAX-BOS, we did the same maneuver for spacing. Not as dramatic on a 737 though, but kinda cool to see everything up close.
SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 24 Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 12524 times:
Mauilono,
Not as dramatic on a 737 though,
Before this one, I had experienced two aborted landings. One at the old ATH
airprot on a B737, the other one at EDI on a RJ70. The most spectacular one
was the RJ70. When the pilot decided to abort, the plane just changed direction
and shot up like a rocket. It was amasing.
Tony
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AKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2534 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11506 times:
I have seen plenty of go around over the years at Logan.
The best one ever, would have been a Classic 747 British Airways. She was about to touch on RWY 4R when all of a sudden the engine powered up and she gained altitude. Don't remember what the pilot said, but the comment was pretty cool, it put a smile on my face.......
Vasco G.
p.s. It was a small plane, but about 4 years ago, i witnessed 3 missed approachs of a Air Canada RJ, they had some difficulties with the flaps. Added value...at least the pax got something for the money!!!!!
N405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11480 times:
Time ago here in MTY while the AN-124 was waiting for Take off clearance a 6A 737 was on it´s final approach, the 737 was sent to a Go-Around because the rwy was occupied by the russian airplane, pretty impresive all the black smoke coming from the 737
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1millionflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11184 times:
That is always a sight to see a 747 perform a go-around.
I am curious, is "Finals" a British Aviaiton term. Why is it plural? I have been a pilot since 1983 and I have never heard a US pilot say anything other than "Final Approach" or "Final".
I have seen "Finals" used in many other posts as well.
GuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1988 posts, RR: 9 Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11100 times:
Speaking of spacing, or the lack there of, I happened to have a strange (or what I thought was strange) landing in a US Air 737 from Charlotte to Nashville in late September. BNA has three parallel runways, 2/20 Left, Right, and Center. Traffic was using the 20's, and at that time 20 LEFT was being resurfaced and closed, so departing was using 20C while arrivals were all using 20R. We were on the Visual for 20R arriving via VOLLS SIX and turning north on left downwind to the 20s. Over Hendersonville (about 10 miles out) we turned base where I could see a WN 737-700 on final pretty close in front of us. This is where it got wired. Instead of turning for a straight in final, we actually started doing an "S" type turn. I actually saw the runway out of the left side (where I was sitting) of the jet, we actually went past the runway while on base, then did a left 180 turn, saw 20R straight out of the right side then one more 180 turn, saw 20R on the left side of the plane, and then we lined up. I've never had been on a jet that did this to space. I have been wondering if this is standard practice, or if Control turned us too fast, or being visual, the US team turned us early.
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SNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3232 posts, RR: 24 Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 10868 times:
I am curious, is "Finals" a British Aviaiton term.
It may well be. I did live in the UK for 11 years so I might have picked it up there!
Tony
[Edited 2004-11-30 23:05:23]
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N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10287 times:
>I am curious, is "Finals" a British Aviaiton term. Why is it plural? I have been a pilot since 1983 and I have never heard a US pilot say anything other than "Final Approach" or "Final". <
Usually in the US, pilots and ATC use "Final" as opposed to "Finals", but I have heard both
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