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Do We Really Need Meals On Short Hops?  
User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3726 times:
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Im just wondering do we really need to be served a meal on a 1 or 2 hour flight.?
I for one prefer to save the money im charged on the ticket sale and have a good meal before or after the flight.



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3722 times:

I don't know if this helps but a subsidy of ANA, Air Japan believes that they don't need a meal on the KIX-ICN run. A 1 hour and 25 minute flight time on certain days. For this reason, the airline doesn't serve anything and this helps in trimming the costs.




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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Two comment here . . . .

First, if you're saving $$$ on a ticket I'd be surprised . . . . if the fare increases don't get you, all the bullshit service charges (that are rarely advertised or disclosed) certainly will.

Second, If you're going to eat before or after the flight, what's the difference. Your out the $$$ anyway.

I agree, no need for meals on a 1-2 hour flight, probably mediocre food anyway.

I fly F and I'm quite satisfied with a couple drinks and a snack . . . and by snack I don't mean a bag of pretzels . . . perhaps some cheese and crackers, something similar.



[Edited 2004-11-30 08:52:48]

User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3711 times:

Personally, I'd say it's not necessary - not to mention that it's barely done in any of the regions that I fly in more or less regularly...

The last real meal that I was served was on a Sun Air flight from DUR to JNB, but that's a few years back already... since then, it's been somewhere along the lines of a piece of chocolate here, or a candy bar there - something which I could easily do without.

The one thing that I wouldn't want to miss, though, is something to drink: on two of my recent intra-European short hops, on OS and LX, I experienced their respective "buy-on-board" schemes: on OS you still got something to drink (not a wide selection, but nonetheless - coffee, tea, water) for free, while LX even charged for those...

I guess the real question is: what price decrease, if any, would we see if airlines like LH, BA, QF, SA or similar were to take whatever is left of the "meal service" away: the problem that I see is that I doubt that we'd be seeing a decrease in fares at all, but just an increase in earnings for the airline.

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3699 times:
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ANCFlyer
Second, If you're going to eat before or after the flight, what's the difference. Your out the $$$ anyway.
Yes i agree but at least i will get what i like to eat before or after the flight not some cheap meal packed in a processing line .
Also half the time i don't like the food that's dished out to me .
Ktachiya
that's exactrly what i mean thx for the reply ANCFlyer and Ktachiya and Leskova


[Edited 2004-11-30 09:00:08]


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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3682 times:

If it's a 1 hour flight, no, probably no meal necessary, but the question is at what point does it become necessary? How long a flight? A 2 hour early morning flight, I might expect a breakfast, especially if I'm going across time zones (so for example, I leave at 7 AM and arrive at 10 AM... which means I probably arrived at the airport at 5:30, boarded at 6:30, and won't get out on the other end until 10:30-11... without a meal on the plane you've basically just skipped it completely). Same applies for dinner. Depends on the time of day and whether you're crossing time zones.

I think we should remember that a 1 hour flight is not really 1 hour of your time. Even if you time everything out exactly right it's probably at least 3 hours out of your day, including travel time to and from the airport, security clearance, check-in, boarding times, de-planing, baggage claim, etc. You could build in time for eating at the airport but a) airport food is a ripoff, horribly overpriced usually and not very good, so you may as well just pay the five bucks built into your ticket for airline food if that's what you'd planned to do, and b) you're saving neither money nor time if you do that, you're in fact wasting both. So I don't really see the point.

I don't think anybody would have a problem going 3 hours out of their life without a meal, but 4 hours (say, a 2 hour flight) starts to become less reasonable if it's a 6 or 7 AM flight, or a 6 PM flight, or something like that. I think 2 hour flights should usually have a meal service, and of course any flights longer than that as well.



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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3667 times:
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Spacecadet
A valid point you raised here .
Hay if you where traveling first class you would have a meal worthy of being called a meal and charged the price to boot.(with silver cutlery and all)
But us normal people who are normal travelers might get some peace of whatever with some mash potato and something to drink.
I would prefer to wait the extra few hours.



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User currently offlineFlyboy1980 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2003, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3636 times:

It took ppl a while here to get used to no meals when Air NZ swapped to the "Express Class" low-cost model.

The longest domestic flights in NZ are AKL-CHC (1.5 hours) AKL-ZQN/DUD at about 1 hr 50) CHC-ROT (at about 1 hr 20 mins to 1 hr 50 depending on 737 or ATR 72). People were quite upset at the prospect of only getting tea, coffee, water and a cookie.

I mean, I could handle a 5 hour flight with no food. Perhaps 7 at a stretch. We certainly don't need to snack on an hourly basis!

No wonder they've just increased the std weight of a human by 10kg (to 80kgs average) when balancing a/c!


User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3624 times:

On Saturday I did four flightsin European C Class, all between 1hr and 2hrs in length. I'd have been pretty peeved if I was fed on none of them!


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

JumboJim747: "Hay if you where traveling first class you would have a meal worthy of being called a meal and charged the price to boot.(with silver cutlery and all)"

Silver Cutlery, Ha Ha Ha . . . .Silver Cutlery, HA HA HA HA HA, sorry, it's not you JumboJim747, it's the Silver Cutlery remark HA HA HA, ohhhh, HA HA HA!!!



User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3604 times:
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ANCFlyer
If all this thread achieves is making someone laugh id be happy with that .
im glad you liked that remark but its the state of what we have become .
Thanks all for the replies a great bunch of people here at anet.
Flyboy1980
that's not an exaduration we have become over reliant on food to beat the boredom say to speak.
Fbgdavidson
On Saturday I did four flightsin European C Class, all between 1hr and 2hrs in length. I'd have been pretty peeved if I was fed on none of them!
Do you mean ( if i was NOT fed on none of them ) ?



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

NZ's domestic class 'Express Class' used to serve Coffe or Tea and a cookie. Now they have cut back on the cookie and give out chocolate squares instead. Personally, it doesn't bother me. I think it would be too much of a rush for both crew and passengers on short flights.

User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1468 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

Perhaps not.

But then

Leave home 04.30, to drive to the airport for a flight leaving 06.30.
Check in is chaotic, no food.
Fly 1.30 sector, with no food.
Make a transit with minimum connecting time, no food and then a
Further sector 1.30 or 2.00 hours, with no food.
Airport to city meeting 1.00 hours, no food.

Not a lot of fun and then you go to a really dull meeting. Perhaps just as much fun coming back too.

So it depends, if you are a leisure traveller, with time to eat elsewhwer, or a wage slave with a schedule to meet.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

OK, seriously, I won't laugh at the "Silver Cutlery" remark in an earlier post (again).

Seriously, most folks here have a definite point - like Dstc47. If you're a Road Warrior, constantly on the go, up at 0400, airport at 0500, plane leaves at 0630 (but you've spent 20 minutes checking in, 45 minutes pissin' around with the TSA Nazis and boarded), then fly say LGA-CLT and now you're on the ground in CLT at 0740, with a new departure time on your connection at 0830, you have to go from B to C (moving sidewalks not withstanding), now you're on your CLT-JAX flight and again and airborne.

No time to eat anything, no time to really do much at all. Of course, every scenario won't be this way - but the only apparent "down time" you've had all morning has been sitting on the plane.

Sure, you could grab a expensive, ready to go, breakfast-like rolled up object at an airport concession and carry it aboard, but hey - you fly like 20,000+ miles a month on this airline, the least they could do is feed you, right, especially if you're in F . . . if you're a road warrior, you're probably in F - don't expect the "Silver Cutlery" though. And on US don't even expect a glass glass . . . plastic is in! Styrofoam is the hot ticket.

I invite you to look at airlinemeals.net. Go check out the European carriers, specifically their short haul flights. Hell, they're serving breakfast on ERJs over there . . . with segments of an hour or a bit longer.

Problem in the USA is a) cheap SOBs running the show; b) cheap SOBs buyin the tickets; c) everyone wants something for nothing.

Of course, that's just my opinion . . . let the flaming begin . . . .

[Edited 2004-11-30 14:09:39]

User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Do you mean ( if i was NOT fed on none of them ) ?

'Not fed on none' is a double negative thereby in this situation you were given food.

Clarification: I would be annoyed if I was given no food on my four flights since they were between 1-2hrs



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User currently offlineBustraveler From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Is it necessary? Probably not. But this past Wednesday I flew ATL - DFW in Business on Delta. Flight left approximately 6PM and to my surprise, they served a snack in Business. It was a cobb salad and surprisingly was very very good. It was a nice touch. Delta will definately be keeping my business. Silver right now....moving up to Gold by the middle of December!

User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3351 times:

I don't really think it is necessary to have food on a 2 hour flight. There are plenty of opportunities to grab something along the way in most airports. Also, a number of airlines are now allowing passengers to bring their own food, within reason of course. Now, on a 3 hour flight its starting to ask a bit much to not serve food and I feel you must serve something on 4 hour or longer flights. The average interval between meals is probably something around 5 hours for many so, considering they have been unable to get food for about that length of time, they need at least a decent snack to hold them over until they can get a real meal.

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4368 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Thankfully, my airline of choice (CO) continues to serve food on short hops, because according to Bethune, when passengers are hungry, folks start to notice shortcomings about the airline that they don't care about if they've eaten.


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User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

Can't argue too much with Bethune. He's probably one of the better airline managers currently around. Continental has a new fleet, stays relatively quiet in the news, minimal labor problems, and seems very well positioned to take advantage of the larger airlines' struggles. I think the only better positioned airline is Northwest with their old airplanes.

User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3315 times:
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Ok say an American airline doesn't serve you no food at all on these hops how much can you save on the airline ticket ?


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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8218 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3301 times:

In the US there are too many trips through hubs with connections to just consider the length of one flight - it's the total travel time a pax has that counts in getting hungry. Airlines have focused on the length of each trip and dramatically cut the meal services. There have been a few times when I thought about taking a nice, hot pizza on board, but figured I would be attacked by the other paxs.

I did take a one hour SYD to MEL flight last month in J and QF was able to deliver a full hot meal to us with no problem. BA on European flights also beat the socks off of US airlines when it came to food.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3251 times:

We really need meals on short hop flights!

Question: Why?

Answer: We must eat food anyway!

Simple enough...




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User currently offlineLaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4006 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3198 times:
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It's nice in other countries with the exception of the United States, that the majority of airlines serve light meals on short trips. I hear people complaining all the time about the meals served on short hauls, and compared to what we get, I'd be greatful to get something [it's very interesting to see what is serviced on airlinemeals.net].

It's a real shame that on routes like LAX-ORD, LAX-DTW, LAX-MSP you get a measly frozen sandwhich and some other tiny items, and then on routes like LAX-ATL, LAX-CVG, and now LAX-JFL [on DL], you have to pay for stuff like that and it is a shame that when you do pay high fares on the LCC's they are so frugal with the inflight catering options. I still remember the times DL put out some great snacks on shorter trips under 2.5 hours, and great hot tray options on flights longer than that, and even steak in the main cabin [including a printed menu in Y on the JFK-LAX-JFK runs]. AS used to have some great service and they have cutback tremendously due to the competion and the discount carriers but at the same time, those cut backs came with lower, simplified fares, and for those willing to pay the difference you can upgrade to F and still get a nice snack or meal. AS is also still serving substantial meals on their long hauls. At least CO is consistent with their inflight services and want to keep customers happy.

Any thoughts would be apreciated especially from those of you doing the inflight service.
Have a great evening.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6420 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Last time I was on a three hours flight I was immensely hungry when boarding the plane - having just worked eight hours straight without one single bite.

Luckily it was a low cost carrier with no ordinary catering, so I could buy four large sandwishes and two large Cokes at only some $20.

Had it been in the "good old days" when we got that "same size fits all" plastic feeding, then I would have starved to death.

I love the new system. When I buy transportation from A to B, then that's what I get. No more, no less. When I want to buy food, then I buy food. The food I need. No more, no less.



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User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2444 posts, RR: 31
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3162 times:

Do we need food on short hops? Yes and no.

If I'm doing the 2 hour flight from Phoenix to Kansas City, I don't need fed. I'm old enough to know that I won't be eating on the plane and will feed myself at the airport or when I get there. If I'm doing 2 hours to Dallas, then a layover just long enough to haul a$$ to my next flight then another 2 hour flight, I'd like some sort of snack. It doesn't have to be fancy, just something. A plain bagle is remarkably filling when you've had nothing to eat.



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25 Jalalabad : unless you don't want beverage service either, the airline still has to pay caterers to service the flight. the cost of food would be spared of course
26 Flyboy1980 : Most of us are adults. If we can't manage to either - a) last 1 or 2 hours without a meal OR b) bring our own sandwich and bottle of coke then there i
27 Sllevin : Posts here have pretty much come down to "business vs. leisure" travellers. Put me in the "food" category. There have been tons of times when timing h
28 Carpethead : I could care less if the airline gives me anything on a flight duration less than 1.5 hours whether I am flying for business or leisure. Above 1.5 hou
29 Post contains images AeroWesty : The most welcome inflight meal I've ever had was on a short 35 minute flight on Transavia from LGW-AMS, where they fed everyone in Business Class hot
30 AirAmericaC46 : Yes, we do need food and drinks regardless of flight duration! My top reasons: 1. Being served something by a polite, good-looking FA during flight i
31 Ckfred : We're not going to get back to the days when airlines offered complete chicken or beef dinners on flight like ORD-MCI. But it does make sense to offer
32 JumboJim747 : I don't have a problem with connecting flights serving meals even if they are short hops. but Ken777 I did take a one hour SYD to MEL flight last mont
33 Flybyguy : My question to the community... how do airlines save money by selling food on flights? Don't they have to buy them from the distributors anyway? And t
34 Post contains images Skydrol : I am a large person, and I like to eat!! For me, memorable inflight service would include more than just pretzels. Lousy inflight service would be a
35 Indianguy : For me its a convenience issue. Most times when I am flying I am in a tearing rush and usually dont even have time to take a shower b4 leaving (i have
36 Vtdl : I agree with many of you that for 1-2 hour flight, no need to serve food. But we need to consider transfer too. Something that is a killer. In June, w
37 Aussie747 : "Most of us are adults. If we can't manage to either - a) last 1 or 2 hours without a meal OR b) bring our own sandwich and bottle of coke then there
38 ZKSUJ : On my NZ flight last week (1 hour long) we hardly had time to have the quick refreshments. I only had about 5 minutes (litterally) to drink my tea and
39 Docpepz : I flew QF from Adelaide to Brisbane in August. We got a decent-sized mid morning snack which consisted of a sandwich, some kind of a side dish, a choc
40 Post contains links UTA_flyingHIGH : I agree with Aussie 747 on this, when I get back on a late flight all I'm hoping for is a decent meal on the way back home so I can get to bed sooner.
41 JumboJim747 : At the end of the day i really think that it is not a necessary to have the meals on short hops . I do however respect all your opinions on the matter
42 Pe@rson : I don't need a meal on a short flight but I think it's important to have the choice in case I want something to eat.
43 Mozart : Agreeing with the business vs. leisure travel segmentation. It happens to me on three out of five working days a week that the time on the plane would
44 Laca773 : Thankyou CKFred ! You hit it on the bullseye. I have expreienced the same things you have. I still remember the days when US bought PSA and they added
45 Airbazar : Forget short hops. I just recently took a LH flight from Munich to Boston and all they served was a sad immitation of soggy pizza which I just couldn'
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