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Looks Like ATA Is Digging Into IND Big Time!  
User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

http://www.indystar.com/articles/1/198639-8461-102.html Very interesting...


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Woo hoo... Saab service btw Evansville, Fort Wayne, South Bend and Indianapolis!

Now that IS big time.... ATA is going to monopolize the huge intra-Indiana market...

 Insane



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User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1916 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5602 times:

Looks like back to their roots...Hope they make it!

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5594 times:

>>Looks like back to their roots...Hope they make it!<<

Their roots is vacation charter and military transport service... not flying scheduled puddle jumpers between IND and DAY.



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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5590 times:

Could this be the indicator that ATA is planning to move the "chicago express" carrier to IND and withdraw the carrier completely at MDW?


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7661 posts, RR: 27
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

The tag line at the bottom of the press release stated subject to governmental approval, I assume that means approval from the bankruptcy courts.

I wouldn't get too excited yet, just is the shifting of some resources from MDW to IND.

This service is debatable whether it will be a sucess or not. Will people fly on this new service to connect on to other ATA flights or just simply drive to IND in the first place. Obviously there is little demand for O&D on any of these routes as most people will just opt to drive. I would venture that service to MDW from this stations will eventually be dropped.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

I am wondering if the government approval depends on the subsidies from SBN and EVV...notice how the footnote does not apply to the other cities. Before i remember reading that the airports mentioned were trying to start intrastate service but was not able to.


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User currently offlineStlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9412 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

I think people would fly this service. IND is NOT too close of a drive from Evansville or South Bend, and for the most part, neither is Ft. Wayne. It might look close, but one trip up I-69 and you will be thinking otherwise. Adding more flights to Las Vegas and Orlando seems to be an indicator of where these people like to go, but ATA needs to hurry up and get some roots planted into Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, or Seattle from Indianapolis. If it's successful and bookings fare well, I wouldn't be surprised if they add Springfield, Flint, Toledo, or Moline into the list.

Go ATA!



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

What we need is scheduled service from BMG to ORD/MDW/STL/etc.


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

Stlgph...i have to agree with you on the drive factor....i have made the drive up to fort wayne and south bend several times and even though it "looks" short, it is not...especially when there is not much scenery. If we had scenery like the Seattle area, then it would be different. It takes about 2 hours up to fort wayne by car and 3 hours to south bend. I would not mind taking the short hop and being able to rest instead of staying up through the BORING drive  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7661 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

7E7, I agree with you totally on the driving deal, I'd just fly, but the average Joe Tourist doesn't necessairly think that. People have this believe that big city airports are always cheaper than the local airport, and usually that isn't the case. People will drive 3-4 hours to save $50 on airfare, sad but true.

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

When I started working with Great Lakes, we flew BMG-DEC-ORD and let me tell ya, the loads were anything but impressive. We had to pull out of the market because we exceeded the EAS limit of subsidy per passenger of $240 USD. I think the most passengers we ever got out of BMG was 4 or 5 passengers at the most, 1 or 2 was the standard load. The high loads were only during times of something going on at the school at that's it.

-n


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5349 times:

What were the IND-SBN loads like in the 80s or whenever US operated that route?


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User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Will the new flights just have the "ATA connection" name on the planes?? It would not make sense to call it chicago express  Big grin


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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

Jetstream International, which I think became part of Chautauquawauakakaua... err something, had a nice IND hub for some point. GRR-IND was the last route to go (meaning it was probaby the best performer) but also linked CMI, MDW, DEC, BMI, EVV, FWA, SBN, and every city in Ohio with J32s and Saabs...

I believe they closed the IND "hub" operation in 1996 or 1997.

-n


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

Will people fly on this new service to connect on to other ATA flights or just simply drive to IND in the first place.

If I'm flying LGA-DAY, I'm not getting off the plane in IND and driving, thank you.

People have this believe that big city airports are always cheaper than the local airport, and usually that isn't the case.

Sometimes it is. BDL is certainly more expensive than LGA, even with WN's presence.



I think TZ focusing on relatively low-cost IND (in terms of rents and fees) and selling the MDW assets will give them new focus. I've always thought that IND and MDW were too close together to operate as hubs, and that MDW was too expensive for legacy-like TZ.



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User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

Doesn't TZ's pilot contract prohibit C8 flying from anywhere but MDW? If so, has the contract been renegotiated or changed by the courts?


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User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

The Chautauqua US Airways Express flights remained at IND long after the US mainline hub left. The final three routes ended after 9/11 when Chautauqua retired its Saab fleet. The last routes were IND-CMH/EVV/GRR. They had also operated IND-FWA/IAD/MKE/SBN in the recent past before 9/11.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

>>Jetstream International, which I think became part of Chautauquawauakakaua... err something, had a nice IND hub for some point. GRR-IND was the last route to go (meaning it was probaby the best performer) but also linked CMI, MDW, DEC, BMI, EVV, FWA, SBN, and every city in Ohio with J32s and Saabs...

I believe they closed the IND "hub" operation in 1996 or 1997. <<


I thought it was Allegheny that operated DEC-IND back in the '90's.



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User currently offlineATAFAN From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4769 times:

I flew ATA Connection for the fist time the other day. (Also a fist for the Saab) Very impressed it was a quiet and smooth ride. I would book a flight on a Saab again without a second thought. I hate prop. planes and I wasn't real thrilled with getting to ride on one but after that fist flight... It also helped to have ATA Connection service as that was impressive as well the crews both ways being friendly and professional I would definitely fly Chicago Express again.
Although maybe it will soon be Indy Express  Big grin that sounds good too.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4606 posts, RR: 23
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4760 times:

The US Express operation was done twice. First by Jetstream...now PSA...with the J31s to everywhere with in 200 miles. The second time was by CHQ with Saabs and Metros.

Side note...I wouldn't be shocked to see TOL added eventually. US did it each time with around 5 daily flights and had some good support by the locals.


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

Allegheny Commuter *did* operate the Beech 99s into Decatur and other markets, but those were upgraded in 1992 I believe to the Jetstream Intl (USAir) certificate... I think it was then upgraded to chattaquatkuatuasomethingorother around the time that USAir had ceased flying PIT-CMI with DC-9s and was converted to the Chaautauauquitta Saabs ..

-n


User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

I think it is a smart move. As for the service on Saab 340's here at DAY, they have been here flying for 7 years so it's only a switch from MDW to IND. Same plane different destination.

I wonder if Airtran will pick up the DAY-MDW slack, or if we will be forced to use UA & AA to ORD. Airtran has a significant and growing presence here in Dayton, it would be nice to see that route on a 717.



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User currently offlineJetService From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4798 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

People drive to IND from FWA for the price. If the price stays low from FWA, I would think they would prefer flying locally (the fare could only be about $60 more to wash out any saving from fuel and higher parking). FWA is a very nice airport with little parking/check-in hassle and there's nothing worse than returning 'home' from a long flight only to face a boring-ass hour & half drive up the interstate (especially in the winter months). But there are still some people that say they will still drive to IND for a non-stop flight. I guess they don't consider the drive a connection itself like I do. Because that's what it really is only your in a car rather than a plane. And everyone knows driving is less convenient and more dangerous.  Smile


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User currently offlineEric777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 199 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

People have this believe that big city airports are always cheaper than the local airport, and usually that isn't the case.

Sometimes it is. BDL is certainly more expensive than LGA, even with WN's presence.


Sometimes it isn't. In my last three trips I chose either BDL or HPN because it was significantly cheaper than LGA, JFK, or EWR. One trip went to CLE, one to STT, and the other to TUS. I am looking at going back to TUS soon and they want two times as much to go from LGA than to go from BDL. If I decide to go, AA gets my money from BDL.

Anyway back to the topic, I too would not be surprised to see cities like TOL added.


25 7e72004 : Does anyone know if anyone has made any reservations so far for the new flights?
26 Elwood64151 : Sometimes it isn't. In my last three trips I chose either BDL or HPN because it was significantly cheaper than LGA, JFK, or EWR. One trip went to CLE,
27 Post contains images 7E72004 : Ok...i have never given too lenghty of a post and i will try my best to keep this one short. I hope that others will respect what i write as i respect
28 Post contains images Byrdluvs747 : except HP, which flies to both TUS and BDL, but is an LCC in name only As if all LCC's should be like WN.
29 7E72004 : Couldn't they just move America west and Frontier to concourse D at IND? Even with US and UA there not all ten gates are utilized. That would give ATA
30 Meister808 : Hey... while they are at it, why not use this as an opportunity to work into Cincinnati Lunken(LUK)? It seems like this would be the perfect opportuni
31 7E72004 : Where is LUK in relation to CVG?
32 AZjetgeek : Even though I've never flown on ATA, I'm glad to see them making a reasonable effort to stay alive and re-define their scope and role. I think this ap
33 Jettatco : This all banks on airtran getting TZ. I expect the HP deal will go thru. Parker met yesterday at TZ headquarters and offered a (HP) boardseat. Mesa ha
34 ERJ170 : Boy, if TZ gets the MDW gates... would that piss off WN a lot more? I mean, they already share 2 hubs.. could they share 3? I would think WN would sta
35 SegmentKing : HP you mean? :P -n
36 ATAFAN : What HP deal are you talking about here? And where do you think HP will get the money from? Do you think this will go good with employees? I know bett
37 BIGBlack : I used to LOVE the BOS to LAS run through MDW. It was my favorite way to get to vegas. Until Song came along.
38 TZFALAX : To ATAFAN Not sure which employees you have talked to but the overwhelming majority of us want the HP deal to happen. Read up on the whole deal. HP do
39 7e72004 : What is the "magical" date that the judge has to make a decision on what happens with the bids, etc??
40 Xkorpyoh : but Northwest is attacking HP directly in IND with added flights and destinations. What's going to happen? it seems to me the NW might be the winner w
41 NWAFA : Xkorpyoh, HP wants MDW not IND...
42 Afitch7881 : How do you figure LGA is cheaper than BDL? I fly between PHX and BDL bimonthly, and I can find fares as low as $150 RT to a everage of around $200 eac
43 Post contains images ATAFAN : So the HP deal is not for the whole airline? Once again what deal? Airlines change day to day. I would be surprised if the Business class goes I thoug
44 Rage323machine : As of 11/30 thru 11/03 Americawest Big wiggs City of Phoenix Officials have been flying to and from IND. For HP employees who read VIP on the DRS(plea
45 Rage323machine : MUST PORT BADGE TO ASK!!!!.. Airline badge also!!!
46 Jettatco : rage323machine, you got most of the story right just a few details. Parker , HP's CEO was in Indy yesterday (I saw him-this is a fact) and spoke with
47 Post contains links Syncmaster : 7E72004: It's my understanding that from the local SBN news that they already have people reserved on the flights, up until now the airport was taking
48 SegmentKing : looks like they're set to me! 11JAN-TU-142A SBNIND ET ET END 1 $TZ3001 Y7 H7 L7 M7 B7 K7 Q7 N7 SBNIND 535A 625A * SF3 0 2 $TZ3005 Y7 H7 L7 M7 B7 K7 Q7
49 Jjbiv : CID has been gone for months now. The Bankruptcy court announces the "winning" bidder on December 16th. joe
50 7E72004 : I wonder how the Gary-IND service will do??
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