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What Does Non-schengen Mean? (EBBR)  
User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21401 times:

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It says that the plane is parked at a non-schengen gate. What does that mean?



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User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 21381 times:

Schengen is the intra-EU agreement/system which allows free movement without passing through passport control at country borders. Not all EU States are parties to this agreement. (E.g, the UK).

Presumably, this gate is for aircraft arriving from a non-Schengen country- i.e UK, or outside the EU.


User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21364 times:

More on the treaty here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_treaty

As you can see, some Non-EU states are Schengen members- Iceland, Norway, etc

[Edited 2004-11-30 21:52:39]

User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21357 times:

Oh ok thanks, I never heard that word before. Does anyone have a list of which airlines park at these non-schengen gates?


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User currently offlineZonky From New Zealand, joined Nov 2004, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21353 times:

Any airline can i imagine, that arrives from a non-Schengen country. I imagine the gangways/airport internally is setup to avoid passing a passport control booth from Schengen gates

[Edited 2004-11-30 21:55:27]

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21289 times:

Does anyone have a list of which airlines park at these non-schengen gates?

Basically, to use a U.S. analogy, travel within the Schengen countries is like traveling domestically within the U.S.--i.e., you don't need to show your passport when you go from one state to another.

At U.S. airports, there are gates that feed into passport control, and others that just let you straight out into the terminal. Schengen gates are like the latter--it's no different from arriving on a domestic flight.

So, it has nothing to do with what airline is operating the flight, but rather where the flight is arriving from.



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User currently offlineDragon-wings From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3982 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 21277 times:

Oh ok I get it now. Thanks guys  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 21055 times:

Schengen is the name of the Dutch citu where the agreement vas signed. Schengen includes many European countries. Most of them are EU-states, but Norway, Lichtenstein and Iceland are Schengen-members but not EU-members. For example are UK, Ireland, Estonia, Poland, Latvia etc NOT Schengen countries, but still EU members.
When arriving to a Schengen country for the first time the border control is strict, but when travelling inside Schengen you no longer need to bring a passport....even though I find it much more "secure".
So passengers are kept separated...Schengen and non-Schengen. Airports therefor have gates designated fro Schengen and non Schengen.







User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20975 times:
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It's not quite the same as domestic US travel, as you will still have to pass through customs. Basically, it's like arriving internationally, but skip passport control and go straight to baggage claim and customs. On smaller airports handling both Schengen/Non-Schengen flights, there might be a passport booth at one gate, and when the gate is used for Schengen flights, the booth is just left unmanned and open.


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20957 times:

Schengen is quite useful and helpful for travelers.

For example, one could apply for a visa to visit France and end up visiting all schengen countries with that visa.

Not that this is an issue for US or Canadian citizens as they don't need visas to visit Europe anyway...

Regards



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20943 times:

@KaiGywer:

To correct you, there is no need to go through customs when travelling inside Schengen; in theory.
But in practice you might have had the impression that you had to do it.

Just an example: It takes place when have booked a connection flight, for example BOS-FRA-FMO. Then your passport is controlled in FRA and you pass immigration to enter Schengen-Land, but your luggage is checked trough to your final destination. In difference to travel to the USA, you don't have to re-check your luggage. At your final destination you arrive together with many other passengers, with only a small amount of them coming from an outside-Schengen connection. After picking up your luggage, which got an coloured tag in FRA, you can leave the arrival area. And usually there is a custumer who has the right to ask you if you have something to declare.
If your flight comes from one of the big hubs you can be sure to see an custumer, but often they don't check your luggage. But when you arrive by an loco from Spain you will never see a customer after leaving your gate.

It's a little bit disturbing with immigration and customs, Schengen and non-Schengen here in Europe. But it works in favor of the consumers. Connecting to a domestic flight in the USA is very annoying in comparison.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 20835 times:
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JoFMO, it all depends on what country is on the receiving end. I used to work at SVG, which has Schengen flights to AMS, CPH,and FRA as far as I remember. SVG also has flight to NCL, ABZ, and LHR, which are non-Schengen. WF (who I worked for) had the NCL and ABZ flights, and we also did handling for KL to AMS. All these flights would arrive and depart from the international terminal, only difference being two gates being in a separate area, with a passport control booth at the entrance. If you arrived from non-Schengen, you would arrive at one of these two gates, and go through passport control. Once past the passport control, you would be in the same terminal as Schengen pax, having to go through customs to get out, or transfer to a domestic flight (and then having to recheck your bags). I'm not sure on how this works in EU countries, but Norway, being in Schengen, but outside EU, uses this system. Just about nobody transfers internationally at SVG. On the other hand, flying from SVG to AMS, I could have walked straight out in AMS wihout going through customs. To enter the concourses with other intl flights, I had to go through passport control.


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User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 20812 times:

@ Heisan67:
Schengen is the name of the Dutch citu where the agreement vas signed

Objection  Big grin !

Schengen is not in the Netherlands, but rather a small town in the South of Luxembourg, close to the German and French borders. The treaty itself was signed onboard the vessel "Princesse Marie-Astrid". There are some photos of Schengen at http://www.remerschen.lu if anyone is interested.

Cheers,
Thomas


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 9 hours ago) and read 20802 times:

And why "Remerschen" and not "Schengen"? Is Schengen a part of Remerschen? Or a different name?

I have to go there for a visit, at the Mosel, I know only Remisch (no, not because of the filling stations)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

A350



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User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20716 times:

Patroni
Sorry - I was mistaken. Luxembourg is correct


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 20700 times:

What if a Non-Schengen citizen arrives on a Shengen flight? For example, let's say I (being Canadian) travel from one Schengen country to another, don't I still have to get my passport stamped? Because obviously Canada isn't an EU or Schengen country.

Kris



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User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20694 times:

It doesn't matter where you are from. When arriving in to the Schengen zone for the first time you are checked for passports etc, but flights whithin Schengen zone....you don'y need to show the passport. It is at the entrance to one of the Schengen countries you are checked. No matter what citizienship you have.

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 34
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 20673 times:

Yup, think of the Schengen countries as being like US states or Canadian provinces, immigration-wise. Hence the introduction of Schengen visa which replaced the national visa.

Btw, Liechtenstein is NOT a signatary to the Schengen treaty. The only non EU countries are Norway and Iceland. The reason they joined: EU member Sweden did. Sweden, Norway and Iceland had abolished immigration checks long before.

Switzerland is going to join Schengen soon.


Regarding customs, one might have to physically pass through customs, but, being on an intra-EU itinerary (attention: nothing to do with Schengen!) one is not subject to immigration.

Daniel Smile


User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20626 times:

It's funny that Schengen, a town of 450 inhabitants, is so well known across Europe. That town must feel so proud.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineSK973 From Sweden, joined Mar 2004, 327 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20582 times:

Airsicknessbag,

I had no idea Switzerland was joining Schengen as well!
Any idea when?


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7952 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20565 times:

SK973, Switzerland has already joined the Schengen treaty (in oktober this year if my memories serve me correctly) but this has has yet to be ratified in the Switzerland.


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User currently offlineAdriaticflight From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 516 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 20557 times:

I wish the Uk would join the schengen zone, its so stupid that we have to be treted differently form all the rest of the EU members. The new EU states will all join the Schengen zone once the EU can be sure that their external borders are regarded as secure. I guess we can expect countries like Slovenia, the Czech Republic and Hungary to join very soon. I can understand that we (the Uk) are a bit different, being an island. But Greece is a member of the Schengen Zone and was the only EU country not to have alnad border with another EU member (until Malta/Cyprus joined).
Can you imagine the Daily Mail and Sun's response if we gave up border controls?


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 20532 times:

@Adriaticflight:

Yaeh, the huns are already waiting  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlinePatroni From Luxembourg, joined Aug 1999, 1403 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20485 times:

@ A350:
And why "Remerschen" and not "Schengen"? Is Schengen a part of Remerschen?
Yes, Schengen, Remerschen and Wintringen form the commune of Remerschen.

From an airline perspective I think it is a good move that Switzerland joins the Schengen Agreement. When flying - say - from Luxembourg to Athens (both within the Schengen Area) a connection on AF, LH, OS etc did not require queuing up at imigration counters with long waiting times. A connection with LX via ZRH was however far less convenient.

Cheers,
Thomas


User currently offlineChilledflyer From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 20458 times:

For those of you who are interested and legally minded, below is a link to which you could find the annex and protocols about the Schengen Agreement added in the various Treaty Amendments within the EU

http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/treaties/selected/livre3_c.html

--chilledflyer--



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