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User currently offlineNighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5155 posts, RR: 33
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2494 times:

Apparently it was mentioned in a trade magazine that Atlantic Express is to start low cost TX flights to the UK, Germany and Netherlands, from New York.

The airline has a fleet of 3 757s and has applied for slots at Glasgow Prestwick, London Stansted/Gatwick, Manchester and Edinburgh.

Anyone know any more?


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2473 times:

Probably another start up that wont happen


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2443 times:

Fares from London to NY are already low (sometimes about 180 GBP return) during the winter, so I don't foresee them being able to reduce their fares much lower. During the summer, however, when airfares are normally very expensive (LON-NY-LON is normally over 400 GBP), they could do very well indeed. But what would they do with their aircraft during the winter? If they could operate LON-USA during the summer and LON-LOS, etc etc during the winter, then that'd be great.

But what about aircraft and staff utilisation? The aircraft would essentially only be able to go NY-LON-NY in a day.



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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2444 times:

Plus I dont think the markets at PIK(Glasgow) and EDI could support another airline to New York


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2388 times:

Pe@rson, those fares you are talking about all need a Saturday night stay, if you are not staying Saturday night they are sky high, offer a £175 return fare with no Saturday night stay is a bargain for the business traveller.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2367 times:

175 return LON-NYC in SUMMER? No way. Add 200+


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2341 times:

If this airline starts up, it will be great. It would be even better if it were to make routes from DUB to JFK, and other U.S destinations from Ireland.

Dublin have only three main airlines that go to the U.S- Aer Lingus
Delta
cotinental
They need more!!!

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User currently offlineTOMfly From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2318 times:

I have always thought that this would be a good idea. If you had a daily flight from London Stansted to New York - you could even do a ryanair and chose to fly to Long Island Islip Airport if they'd allow transatlantic flights to start operating. Im sure budget passengers wouldnt mind getting on a bus to get from there to NYC if they pay budget fares for the flight, they do it (by they I mean I have!) from Charleroi to Brussels and Malmo to Copenhagen (I've done both!) - I think this is a great idea. Then why not use pay as you fly tv and other extras to gain extra profit! I know I would pay something like £199 to get to New York, and if they can do it for cheaper then that would be great. IF RYANAIR GET THIS THEN GET A 757 AND START THIS ROUTE PLEASE!!!!haha! Let's hope this idea gets off the ground! One flight a day should do, returning later on that day/following morning. Crews could have a one night stay so that wouldnt be too expensive. I even think that if this was to work 2 flights could op from Stansted and maybe one from Nottingham EMA, Bristol, Manchester and even Newcastle.


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User currently offlineAerlingus330 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 834 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2269 times:

If FR (ryanair) were going to Fly transatlantic it would frist be from DUB and SNN, not Manchester or Newcastle, Nottingham or Bristol...mayby they would do one from Standstead but i doubt it at first.

Secondly i think they have to apply for a special licence to go transatlanic (well thats what my dad told me).

Also Ryanair will have to clean up the airline, because ive flew with them and they arent the best airline in the world.

But i hope they do get to go transatlantic...they would make a good profit.


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User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2210 times:


The airline has a fleet of 3 757s and has applied for slots at Glasgow Prestwick, London Stansted/Gatwick, Manchester and Edinburgh.


Maybe the A300/A310 might be the best plane for LCC transatlantic. It is cheap to get, operating costs are ok, and with a 3-3-3 - configuration, you can pack it in a way that makes Mr. O'Leary jealous  Smokin cool

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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

The idea of a Transatlantic LCC is indeed LoCo - if such an airline even gets off the ground, it won't last 18 months...


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User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

na, just like riviera jet-it wont happen

User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

The idea of a Transatlantic LCC is indeed LoCo - if such an airline even gets off the ground, it won't last 18 months...

Such an Airline already got off the ground, however finally without success: PeopleExpress. I dont know how long they lasted.

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User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Unlike the big carriers there would be no premium class revenue to supplement the lowest fares on what is a very competative route.

Therefore in order to be able to undercut the majors for the very lowest fares they would have to (like Ryanair etc on the shorthauls) rely on the last minutes business traveller paying through the nose to fly. The problem then is although business travellers might be willing to pay top notch to fly last minutes on a loco for a 2 hours flight, why would they want to pay the same high economy fare for a no service airline when they could go to BA or AA etc?


User currently offlineScottishLaddie From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 2384 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Hope they get off the ground. Any idea what NY airport it would be? JFK?

User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

"although business travellers might be willing to pay top notch to fly last minutes on a loco for a 2 hours flight, why would they want to pay the same high economy fare for a no service airline when they could go to BA or AA etc?"

This is a primary reason why a TATL LoCo won't work - the current full-service players already supply an overabundance of low-fare seats, depriving the LoCo of a sizeable niche in which to turn a profit.

Additionally, longhaul flying involves high fixed costs and operational constraints which do not allow LoCos to maintain a meaningful cost advantage against the full-service carriers - a LoCo 762 on PAR-EWR will spend just as much time on the ground going through customs and cleaning as a CO 762 on the same route. Therefore, the LoCo loses the advantage of fast turnarounds and increased utilization vis-a-vis its full-service rivals.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3354 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1994 times:

although business travellers might be willing to pay top notch to fly last minutes on a loco for a 2 hours flight, why would they want to pay the same high economy fare for a no service airline when they could go to BA or AA etc?

This is a primary reason why a TATL LoCo won't work - the current full-service players already supply an overabundance of low-fare seats, depriving the LoCo of a sizeable niche in which to turn a profit.


What if the airline puts in a First or Business Class like AirTran did? I know it wouldn't solve a whole lot of issues, but would it help?


User currently offlineUAXEMB120 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 16 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1900 times:

what about this FLYBLU stuff, arent they supposed to be like a "different breed of LCC" like where it costs alot but you get like 80' inch pitch or something......lol


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4387 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

"What if the airline puts in a First or Business Class like AirTran did? I know it wouldn't solve a whole lot of issues, but would it help?"

With TATL Business Class tickets now being sold for $2,000 or less a pop, there isn't much opportunity to be had for discounters there. Besides, a decent international C/F cabin will not be low-cost by definition anyways.



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User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1700 times:


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