Flybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1130 posts, RR: 2 Posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4609 times:
To my knowledge (and I know someone will correct me if I am wrong), there are no Canadian, US or Mexican airlines flying into the contintent of Africa (don't use code sharing as an answer!).
Have any North American airlines EVER flown to cities in Africa? I would think maybe Cairo or Cape Town would be possible spots or were at one time.
I realize it makes more sense to rely on partner airlines in today's market, but what about, say, 30 years ago?
LAXINTL From United States of America, joined May 2000, 27311 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4563 times:
Currently World Airways operates to Luanda Angola from Houston a couple times a week. The flights which operate under the Sonair banner have been flying for several years carrying oil industry types back and forth. The aircraft is equipped in a 2 class configuration, not the typical World Airways cattle car MD-11 set up. World also tried operating its own scheduled service flights to Johannesburg back in the mid-90s however the experiment was dropped quickly.
Indeed TWA also operated to Africa. Actually Cairo was one of its first destinations to be served via Paris shortly after WWII. Cairo managed to stay on TWAs route map until the very end having been operated with B767-300s nonstop from the JFK with continuation service to Riyadh Saudi Arabia. If I'm not mistaken the carrier also might have operated to Morocco for a brief period.
Pan Am used to serve Africa quite a bit. In the 80s Monrovia, Johannesburg, Lagos and Nairobi were served. Jo-burg was dropped as part of US sanctions against South Africa. Nairobi was served pretty close to the end of the carrier finally with A310s via Frankfurt. Pan Am in addition served a few other African destinations back in the 60/70s with B707s.
In addition there was short lived upstart airline US Africa Airways with 2 leased American MD-11s based at Washington Dulles.
Lastly, I believe Continental Airlines is due to start EWR-Lagos service in 2005. They had applied with the DOT a few months back for the route.
[Edited 2004-12-02 09:02:01]
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LatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1279 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4346 times:
Indeed, back in the mid 1990s World had a small int'l hub at EWR and codeshared with Continental. This didn't last long, but the carrier flew to West Africa (Dakar, Senegal, I believe) and used dormant frequencies to CPT/JNB.
There was a start-up, US Africa Airways, that was in business for 9 months flying IAD-CPT/JNB via Sal Island.
Clipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 683 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4262 times:
Pan Am actually built most of the airports throughout Africa. We operated from JFK to RBA, ROB, DKR, CKY, ABJ, ACC, LOS, NBO, DAR, JNB and DLA.
ROB was the major crew changing point and the crews were on a 13 day pattern when they left the states.
WO also operated ATL/LOS for several months last year before having to cancel service do to lack of payment by the tour operator. WO has also operated JFK/ACC as a sub-service for Ghana Air on several occasions and of course has many charters that were all over the African continent.
Jsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2220 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4197 times:
At one point Pan Am had service to several airports in Africa, continuing well into the 1980s. Gradually the African flights were cut back, and by the end in 1991 there was no Africa service.
TWA received authority from Athens/Cairo to a number of eastern African destinations in the late 1960s (Nairobi, Addis Ababa, Entebbe/Kampala, etc.) but these were traded to Pan Am in the great early 1970s route swap that saw Pan Am pull almost completely out of Paris (a TWA stronghold) and TWA back out of Germany.
There are old route maps available of excellent quality (most are extremely clear). Check out the old TWA and Pan Am route maps - some wildly exotic routes were flown, such as Cairo - Basra (Iraq). Airline Nirvana!!
In reference to your question, you will see both Pan Am and TWA both served Africa at different points.
And speaking of Africa, what is the status of Continental's IAH-EWR-LOS service? Still in the works? On hold? Anyone know?
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