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Brazil's LCC GOL Airlines Orders 43 737NG  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

Boeing and Brazil's GOL Linhas Aereaes S.A., one of the world's most profitable airlines, announced that the airline has ordered 43 737-800 passenger airplanes worth up to US $2.7 billion at list prices. GOL begins receiving the firm-ordered 737-800s between 2007 and 2009.

GOL was launched in January 2001 as the first low-fare airline in Brazil, and is the fastest growing airline in South America. GOL is also the largest operator of the Next Generation Boeing 737 in Latin America, with a fleet of 29 737NGs, serving 37 destinations.

http://www.voegol.com.br/index_ie.asp

Rgs,


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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4842 times:

wow, 43. Very good news for GOL's expansion, i can't wait to fly it, it will be my first South American Airline. Anyway, i heard the order was for 45 so this is close enough  Big grin


Now you're really flying
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Curious and interesting that the whole order was for 737-800 and not for the -700 version.

Good news for GOL, and for the entire region at that, now that they are considering in expanding outside of Brazil. GOL was indeed the first low-cost airline in South America and continues to hold this title.


Thanks.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4822 times:

Is this one of those previously unannounced customers already recorded or is it a brand new addition to the backlog? Hopefully the latter but glad nonetheless.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4791 times:

Interesting enough this announcement came back-to-back with Boeing's announcement in Sao Paulo that it is considering opening a production facility in Brazil....Boeing's first office in LatAm will open in Sao Paulo in 2005.

There is a thread discussing this topic:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1843585/


"Planemaker Boeing Co. is considering opening a production facility in Brazil, local newspaper Estado De S. Paulo reported on Wednesday.

Boeing wants to strengthen its presence in Latin America's largest country to shore up relations with existing clients and prevent its leading market position there from being chiseled away by rival Airbus, Estado reported.

"Boeing wants to be the preferred supplier to Brazilian airlines. We're looking at new ways to improve our relationships in Brazil. Among these is producing here," Thomas Pickering, Boeing's vice president of international affairs, told Estado in Sao Paulo.

"We want to maintain and augment our position in Latin America," he said.

Estado did not say how much money Boeing might invest in Brazil."


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4774 times:

Hardi,

That is old news, they ordered them back in May:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2004/q2/nr_040517g.html

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2004/q3/nr_040719i1.html

PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineRegis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

wow, 43. Very good news for GOL's expansion, i can't wait to fly it, it will be my first South American Airline.

Don't set your hopes too high or you are in for a big disapointment. GOL is a greyhound bus with wings. LCC brazilian style is even more trailer-trash than Southwest.


[Edited 2004-12-02 17:27:51]

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

PPVRA:

Indeed, your're right. But apparently Boeing re-announced GOL's order because of the visit of Boeing CEO to Brazil this week...

Regis:

Completely disagree. GOL is far better than Ryanair or EasyJet or its US counterpars. GOL's fleet is young, you get FREE meals on board, you have electronic check-in and electronic change of flights, and all flights have screens showing the route of the flight, and GOL's on-time performance is about 90%....

Also, with promotional tickets charging R$1 or 0.40 US cents for flights, you wouldn't expect more, right? GOL is a LCC and not a nornal flag carriers. You pay for what you get, and with GOL is get far more than what you pay for! Lots of people in Brazil that have never boarded an airplane before are doing so with GOL...

One-way tickets EZE-GRU are on sale for USD 50 in Buenos Aires, which is an excellent deal!


Rgs,



User currently offlineGodBless From Sweden, joined Apr 2000, 2752 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

LCC brazilian style is even more trailer-trash than Southwest.
And how would the "LCC brazilian style" compare to Ryanair?
Considering that FR is the "LCC hardcore-extreme-style".

Max


User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

The order is 28+15, and this is for them to replace the leased aircrafts with their own.
GOL opened stock in Bovespa and BYSE and was very sucessful at it, I saw a interview with mr.Constatino(GOL CEO) and as for the sucess of the stock they´ll be able to plan the buy of a.c and not lease.
GOL today has 22 737-NG and has 3or5 737-300 to comlpete the fleet (sorry, don´t remember exactly).
GOL is doing fine and is anoying competition in Brazil.
Soon to start flights to EZE and plans to open new dest. in south-america.

C´ya



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4272 times:

how would the "LCC brazilian style" compare to Ryanair?

As I said in my reply 7, GOL has a far superior product if compared to any European LCC.

Rgs,
Hardi



User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4261 times:

>Completely disagree. GOL is far better than Ryanair or EasyJet or its US counterpars. GOL's fleet is young, you get FREE meals on board, you have electronic check-in and electronic change of flights, and all flights have screens showing the route of the flight, and GOL's on-time performance is about 90%....<

If you get actual, full meals, I would be surprised, though snacks and things like sandwich wraps are done by LCCs in the US. F9 for a long time (I think they still do) serve wraps on their longer flights. B6 offers a range of snacks, including boutique snacks like Terra Chips that are better than any crappy pretzel mix on a "legacy carrier". They also have real TV inflight (you can watch Airshow in flight).



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

If you get actual, full meals, I would be surprised, though snacks and things like sandwich wraps are done by LCCs in the US

You're right. GOL only serves snacks, such as cereal bars, wraps and juices and/or soft drinks. I must say they are not very tasting, and very basic. But in Europe you get nothing, or you have to pay for it.

They also have real TV inflight

As far as I know, this also applies for GOL. You can watch the routing of your flight - something you normally have on international flights only.

Rgs,
Hardi


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4241 times:

Trailer-trash at Southwest? Have you mixed up anything? And nothing would ever be worse than O'Leary's craplines...


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4232 times:

>You're right. GOL only serves snacks, such as cereal bars, wraps and juices and/or soft drinks. I must say they are not very tasting, and very basic. But in Europe you get nothing, or you have to pay for it.<

GOL actually is much more like a US LCC than anywhere else.

>They also have real TV inflight

As far as I know, this also applies for GOL. You can watch the routing of your flight - something you normally have on international flights only.<

No, what I mean is that B6 (and F9, though you have to pay with them) lets you watch real satalite tv in flight, for free.

>Trailer-trash at Southwest? Have you mixed up anything? And nothing would ever be worse than O'Leary's craplines...<

What are you talking about with trailer-trash? I hope you are not calling all the business people on WN flights and the people who work there that.

FR is not that bad, they tell you what they are and make no appologies.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Actually I defended WN and referred to a post by Regis. But some individuals seem to be in mad mood?  Wink/being sarcastic

And FR is by far the worst LCC, no matter what they tell me or not.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineRegis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4214 times:

GOL is a bus with wings and I stand by what I said. But I concede that it offer a better product than FR and U2. Especially FR. The point of my post was to have fellow a.net user Greaser lower his expectations and not to trash GOL.

GOL is far better than Ryanair or EasyJet or its US counterpars.

True with regards to FR and U2, not so regarding B6 or WN.

GOL's fleet is young

Not acquainted with FR's fleet, but U2 only flies brand new A319s out of GVA.

you get FREE meals on board

To call a cereal bar a meal is a bit of an overstatement.

you have electronic check-in and electronic change of flights

So do U2, FR, B6, WN... No big deal anymore.

and all flights have screens showing the route of the flight

I am sure that is a major consideration when choosing GOL. Adds so much to in-flight confort.

and GOL's on-time performance is about 90%....

U2's is 86% (arriving within 15 min of scheduled time).



User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4192 times:

Anyone calling GOL a "trailer-trash" airline is completely unaware of the airline's achievements...have a look at this link, and the facts speak for themselves:

http://www.mz-ir.com/gol/eng






User currently offlineRegis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4175 times:

GOL can have low operating margins, growing market share, float its shares in the NY Stock Exchange and still be trailer trash (service-wise). GOL's founder and management were in the bus business before launching their venture into civil aviation and have only succeeded by convincing their white trash bus customers to take an airplane instead of hitting the road aboard their filthy buses. The allure is that they would get the same level of comfort aboard a 737 than in their double-wides.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

GOL's founder and management were in the bus business before launching their venture into civil aviation

And so what? Virgin CEO was in the CD business before establishing the airline...

and have only succeeded by convincing their white trash bus customers to take an airplane instead of hitting the road aboard their filthy buses.

Completely wrong. The bus company was very limited, I think operating in Sao Paulo state only. GOL has flights all over Brazil!

The allure is that they would get the same level of comfort aboard a 737 than in their double-wides.

What a joke! I cannot take this statment serious...


YOu have to compare GOL with airline in Brazil and South America, and I can only compare GOL with airlines such as TAM and LAN, which actually dont even offer some of the services of GOL such as electronic ticket and electronic change of tickets.

--------------

Juts read the last travel reports posted at "Air Quality" about GOL:

"GOL - by Johan Olsson

17 September 2004

GOL is an excellent low-cost quality airline in Brazil. Flew GOL from FOR to REC to SAL to FOR. New planes (B737-800), excellent quick check in, on time departures, and excellent snacks/drinks. All at 50% of the VARIG cost, and with better quality!"




User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4164 times:

Hello Guys,

I didn't know GOL has screens in their airplanes. I've flown then a couple of time (B737-300 and B737-700) and never saw it. Are you guys sure about that?

Hardi, I am impressed with that informantion about GOL selling tickets in BA for 50,00 USD. Do you know that price in Brazil? I just checked the price in Brazil and I am a bit disappointed with what I saw. The GRU-EZE price is 167,00 USD each way. Three times more!!!!  Angry

Hugs,

EMB195ER


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4158 times:

EMB195ER,

Yes, since GOL is already well-known and well-established in Brazil, tickets are on sale with promotional fares if bought in Argentina...natural commercial rules, nothing more! Many other ailrine have the same practice. GOL does have screen on the majority of their fleet...you were unlucky.

This link is very interesting:

http://www.mz-ir.com/gol/eng/

Rgs,
Hardi


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Regis,

Heck! I would stand in a "green" C-130 all the way to EZE if I could get even cheaper flights then GOL offers... the whole point of the business is to be cheap...

PPVRA



"If goods do not cross borders, soldiers will" - Frederic Bastiat
User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4306 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3941 times:

Now that summertime is comming to Argentina, and as we know the country shuts down in January (even the lowliest piquetero will go on their vacation), woudn't it make much more sense for GOL to take a risk and offer discounted fares in brand new, seasonal routes like EZE-FLN, EZE-SSA, EZE-GIG, COR-FLN, ROS-FLN, MDZ-FLN??

There will be almost 500 charters to Brazil from Argentina this summer season... surely GOL could tap into that, and along with bringing in some lower income consumers with their fares, I see them doing well from here foward as both economies grow. Some Argentines still can't afford returning to Brazil like they did prior the devaluation, so wouldn't such cheap airfares give a huge boost in encouraging more to go there?

Besides the airfare cost, food prices and other things are still cheaper in Brazil compared to the Argentine Atlantic coast, at least that's what they are saying. And the weather is more reliable than in our more stormy, southern latitudes...

Argentine tourism to Brazil for the summer will be up 20% (I know how we behave overseas so I do feel your pain), but they do bring $$. 1/3 foreign tourists to Brazil are Argentine, and in the south of Brazil, it's over 70% of visitors. So, obviously, Argentine tourism for Brazil is crucial and extremely important. GOL could have a huge potential market there.

EZE-GRU is OK to promote, but GRU simply put isn't a tourist destination, specially for Argentines who come from EZE. They want sand, not concrete.



My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineRegis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Derico, you may be overestimating the interest of your countrymen in Brazil. I checked the website of Brazil's Ministry of Tourism for statistics and got different numbers than yours. For instance in 2002 (latest numbers available) 677,604 Argentineans visited Brazil, out of an aggregate of 3,674,129 tourists. That makes it 18,5% of Argentineans, and not 1/3 as you thought. Your numbers for the percentage of Argentinean tourists in the south of Brazil seem also to be a bit off. Quoting from the same website, the number of Argentineans visiting the state of Rio Grande do Sul counted for 44% of the total tourists. Another interesting statistic is that more than 75% of Argentineans visiting Brazil enter the country by land. Given that the majority of Argentineans still prefer to drive to Brazil instead of flying, GOL's potential for this market seem less than stellar.



25 Hardiwv : EZE-GRU is OK to promote, but GRU simply put isn't a tourist destination, specially for Argentines who come from EZE. They want sand, not concrete Der
26 Regis : PPVRA, I just read your post. I agree. The whole point is being cheap, to the point of making air travel affordable to the masses. GOL does that by of
27 Hardiwv : Indeed, Argentina makes about 20% of the total turists visiting Brazil. Total tourists from Argentina in 2003 amounted to about 800,000 - which corres
28 Derico : Regis, I don't doubt the 2002 numbers, but as you know 2002 was the year the Argentine economy crashed, so the yearly numbers for that year in particu
29 Ua777222 : Didn't' the economy in Argentina just start getting better in 00'? Would Boeing open this production plant b/c of the closure of the 757? If so what w
30 Post contains links PPVRA : UA777222, Actualy, they are probably not going to open an assembly line in Brasil, they are opening a regional office by the end of 05 and maybe a res
31 Hardiwv : PPVRA: But I read other reports stating that Boeing's office in Brazil could preclude the opening of a manufacturing plant. As I said before, it makes
32 PPVRA : Hardi, I would love to see Boeings made in Brasil, and I think they might manufacture parts here but an entire aircraft is unlikely at least for now..
33 Hardiwv : they might manufacture parts here but an entire aircraft is unlikelyIt does make sense though. For me it also makes sense, and I am sure Boeing has ot
34 HlywdCatft : Hmmm... Well if Boeing wants to set up in Brazil, it would be nice to hear a 7E7 order from Varig.
35 PPVRA : Well if Boeing wants to set up in Brazil, it would be nice to hear a 7E7 order from Varig. Already have my fingers crossed! Unfortunatly, I don't see
36 Hardiwv : HlywdCatft: PPVRA: Also agree with PPVRA, for RG to make more subtantive orders, such as the 7E7, it needs for to put its finances in order... However
37 Post contains links and images PPVRA : Hardi, However, I don't see any clear relationship of a/c orders with location of the manufacturig plant: I think Brazilian airlines might get tax bre
38 PPVRA : Whatever happened to my post... at least the link still works. PPVRA[Edited 2004-12-08 22:32:20] PS: TAM is on page 16[Edited 2004-12-08 22:36:07]
39 Hardiwv : The Brazilian Airforce took some of them. Brazil's air force or Ecuador's Air Force? Is the Brazilian Air Force going to use the ex-Rio Sul ERJs for s
40 Post contains images Erikwilliam : HArdi: Rio Sul had 16 ERJ-145´s at once, they went to Equador Air Force (4) and 12 to FAB. If I´m not mistaken.... No, these are not the 145´s to d
41 Hardiwv : Erikwilliam: Thanks for the information about the 16 145s ex-Rio Sul. I thought they went to the Air Force's SIVAM programme in the Amazon; as you cor
42 Post contains links and images PPVRA : Hardi, About the link, it's just for fun... but here it goes again: http://www.jetsite.com.br/2004/mostra_galeria.asp?tipo=138 Look at the bottom pict
43 Post contains images Hardiwv : PPVRA: WOW!!!!!!!!!!! They're amazing, it really made my night Thanks you a lot!! I'll just dream with those photos!! Rgs, Hardi
44 Erikwilliam : Hardi: and we probably won´t be seeing Embraer jets so soon. The thing is, for brazilian companies, is cheaper to buy an Arbus ou Boeing than a Embra
45 Hardiwv : Erikwilliam: You're right. Mainstream airlines in Brazil, such as GOL, TAM, RG, are operating only Airbus and Boeing, especially because they withdrew
46 Erikwilliam : Hardi: ehehehehe, you got one part all wrong. The reason why there are no is because for tax purpose Embraer is just an assembly line, that takes part
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