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F100s For Avianca?  
User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

Just read in the last issue of Flight Int'l , that Avianca may buy up to 30 ex American Fokker 100s.Some confirmation from our Colombia friends ? Any comments ?

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User currently offlineSNBA319 From Netherlands, joined Oct 2003, 298 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Thats good news for (Stork) Fokker Aerospace! THough i assume they will be needed for maintenance etc...

User currently offlineJuanr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

I really don't think so, at least not in the short term, it is too soon to know since the airline has not yet come out of the chapter 11.

Juan
SKBO


User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1565 times:

If Efromovich actually becomes the owner of AV (Which he may not since the pilots now have an Italian investor), he would favor ERJ's rather than old F's.

KdX in TLH


User currently offlineBWIA330 From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1548 times:

Hey,

Thats really interesting. How many F-100's does AA have? I know Jetsgo took 19 of them from AA. But the thing is it is very difficult to find parts for these planes now.

Regards,

BWIA330


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

ERJ´s are too small for some routes and inadequate for some airports. F100 would be nice as there is huge overcapacity in the domestic market, but 73Gs are more factble (knowing AV has been a loyal customer) and the F100s are as old as the MD-83s, so no reason for doing that.

User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1118 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1380 times:

Guys,

On November 16, 2004, US Federal District Court judge, Allan Gropper, approved AV's 'plan of reorganization', which will allow AV to exit US Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection, resolve its creditor claims and provide the firm with fresh equity capital.

Brazil's Grupo Synergy will provide USD 63 million in funding and acquire a 75% equity interest, with Colombia's Federación Nacional de Cafeteros de Colombia holding the remaining 25%. AV's creditors approved the plan by a 99.8% margin.

Synergy's offer is what is referred to as a "stalking horse bid" under US bankruptcy law, as, theoretically, ANY other party could present a counter-bid between now and December 15, 2004 that is deemed to offer superior value to AV's creditors and stakeholders. However, no other offer is expected.

CO and CM looked at AV last year and decided not to place a bid. Both LA and TA are also not expected to top Synergy's bid. As for the consortium of AV pilots attempting to source funding for their bid, they do not offer any credibility relative to the Synergy proposal.

So, it appears the Brazilians will be the proud owners of AV in two week's time. Quite a Christmas present if there ever was one...

As for new/replacement equipment for AV's short haul fleet, who knows? At this point, it all appears to be pure speculation given the carrier's current situation.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

If Efromovich actually becomes the owner of AV (Which he may not since the pilots now have an Italian investor), he would favor ERJ's rather than old F's.

Not necessarily, since Efromovich's Oceanair is under negotiation with TAM to buy some of their F100s. TAM at one time was one of the largest operators of F100.

Another interesting point: Efromovich's holds the official license to sell Bombardier a/c in Brazil! So I'm sure he would favour CRJ instead of the ERJ!
If you visit Oceanair webpage you will note that Bombadier has commercial adds on it.

ERJ´s are too small for some routes and inadequate for some airports

Are you crazy? Some ERJ-190 can easily accommodate 100-110 pax in one class, and it has more flight range as well!

Rgs,


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1280 times:

Yes, but some routes need 150 seats (CTG, BAQ, MDE and CLO at peak times), and not even an ERJ-140 would be able to land in MZL or EJA.

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