LegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5509 times:
This is something that haunts me since the days I was too young to remember. I was on a TWA L-1011, mid 80's, and I can almost swear there was a lounge towards the back of the aircraft. Is that possible or was this just a dream?
57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2586 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5367 times:
Probably not on the L-1011 (or any widebody jet transport for that matter). On the L-1011 and 747, the rear cabin is usually the location for the bank of lavatories. The DC-8 series aircraft did offer a lounge, but it was usually located in the forward cabin, just aft of the No. 1 doors. The old propliners such as the Constellation/Starliner series and the later Douglas models (DC-6 and -7) had lounges located at the rear of the cabin. Others, such as the Boeing 377 had the lower deck lounge.
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Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3547 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4958 times:
I was on an ORD-SFO flight on United in the early 90's, our equipment was a DC-10. Funny thing is that i remember there being a spiral staircase leading up...somewhere. There was definitely a staircase. I was like 9 at the time, and i knew enough about airplanes to know that the 747 had an upper deck, but i didn't think the DC-10 had one. To this day, it still puzzles me. Was I in fact seeing something totally different (something not a staircase), or is there/was there on some DC-10s some kindof upstairs. I really have no idea. I haven't been on a DC-10 since then, and i know we were not on a 747. so yeah. hmph ?
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4651 times:
If anyone remembers, an AA DC-10 on a flight from DTW to ORD had a cargo hatch blow off, and the floor of the cabin collapsed. What kept the planed from undergoing completed depressurization was the piano bar that effectively plugged the hole in the cabin floor.
This was before the Turkish DC-10 that crashed near Paris, due to the same problem with the cargo hatch.
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 28854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4522 times:
The PSA lounge stayed the entire, short time they had the L-1011. PSA made their money from PAX seats, not cargo, so they took the forward hold and turned it into a lounge for the PAX. Since they were all Y, it was a Y class lounge
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Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4526 times:
AA and UA introduced their DC-10's in late 1971 and both carriers equipped their aircraft with both First Class on Coach Lounges that were quite large. The American 747 had a piano bar in coach, the DC-10 did not.
The L-1011 was introduced about a year later and included a coach lounge on TWA. PSA, which was a California INTRASTATE carrier, replaced the belly galley with a lounge. Only their L-1011's were equipped this way. No UA or AA DC-10 ever had a stairway to any lounge.
The upper level (cockpit level) on the first 747's was a first class lounge.
As far UA DC-8's, the DC-8 10/20/50's were equipped with both a first class and coach lounge. The coach lounge consisted of five seats facing each other with a table in between, across from the rear galley. These seats were assigned, and not held open for passengers to wander back to.
Most US airline's 707, DC-8, CV-880 had first class lounges. UA was the only airline that kept the DC-8 lounge through its entire length of service. The DC-61/71 and 62's did not have a rear lounge. I don't know if the DC-8-33's acquired in 1968 had the lounge installed or not. They were grounded by 1974. And when they were in service, they looked just like the Series 20 Eights that United had operated since 1959.
Of course, many of the four engine piston and turboprop aircraft had rear lounges. DC-6, DC-6B, DC-7's (all series) had the circular lounge in the tail, although United's DC-6 Coach (DC-6T as they called them) did not have the lounge. Some Electra's had the lounge also. The last Electra I flew on, a PSA flight on a former American airplane leased from McCullough Oil of Lake Havasu was configured 3-2 all coach, but still had the first class lounge seats in the tail.
The above is all from memory, experience, although I do have a 1979 UA Planner that has seating charts for the DC-8's.
The airlines pulled the lounges out of the wide bodies in 1975 or 1976, after the first Oil price shock. This was done before the DC-10's and L-1011's were changed from 8 to 9 across seating.
United DC-8's went through quite a few different seating plans. While they were introduced with first and coach, with first taking up almost half the airplane, the coach section, of course, grew and first class shrunk. In 1964, United equipped some DC-8 with 2-3 One Class seating, first introduced on the 720-022 and later on the first 727-022's. This experiment was a failure as UA lost its first class coast to coast to traffic to TW and AA. Then those aircraft were converted to F/L/Y with L being Standard Class with the One Class 2-3 seating in the center section between coach and first. They called this Red-White-Blue Service. By mid 1966, L Class was gone as was S one class. In the early 70's, some of the DC-8's coach sections were converted to 2-3 seating, probably using the seats in storage from the One Class experiment. Now there was a comfortable airplane. 36-38 inches of pitch and only 5 across in a DC-8. What a ride. After the 1973 Yom Kippur War and the resulting end of cheap oil, the 2-3 seating went away for good.
Flying was a real pleasure 30 and 40 years ago. People actually put on Sunday best clothes to travel. Oh how we sometimes long for the good old days.