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Speedbird.... Heavy...?  
User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9413 times:

Hi
Every now and then we hear call signs such as speedbird ___ and united heavy etc. When are these call signs used, is it worldwide or region specific.
Is ‘speedbird’ used for ACs on the ground and ‘heavy’ for a passenger loaded bird?
What other calls (or whatever you call them) exist out there.
Details or any comments would be much appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Nikhil


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User currently offlineLondoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9383 times:

Speedbird is the ATC callsign for British Airways, United is the callsign for United Airlines etc etc. The heavy part refers to the wake vortex category of the aircraft, which is used for the spacing of departures or arrivals. i.e a heavy needs more room after it to avoid turbulence for following aircraft.

User currently offlineDaumueller From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 691 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9374 times:

speedbird means British airways

heavy is added to "big" aircraft (e.g. a340, 747, 777 etc) since controllers need to be aware of the wake turbulences caused by their bigger engines.


User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

all aircraft 757 and up in BOW are concidered heavy.

User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9360 times:

Speedbird is the callsign for BA. "Heavy" indicates that it's a widebody.


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User currently offlineBrettbrett21 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9342 times:

I think the heavy designation is only used in the US. Never really heard it in England thats for sure.

Brett



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User currently offlineLondoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9326 times:

In the UK we use a slightly different system which includes a "medium" category. The 757 is a medium due to its weight, but gets slightly different treatment due to the efficient wing producing higher vortex than a comparable sized a/c.

In the UK, heavy is usually all widebodies, can't think of any heavies that aren't.


User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 601 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9307 times:

Heavy refers to weight. For instance, a 757-200 is not a heavy, though it is treated like a heavy for wake turbulence and sits just below the weight threshold to be considered a heavy. A 757-300 is a heavy as it sits just over that weight threshold. Exactly what that weight limit is I can't remember at this time. Speedbird is just the callsign for BA as previously mentioned. Airlines use different callsigns so they can be more easily identified by ATC. America West uses Cactus. ValuJet used Critter and so on. I believe there is a thread some where here that has a list of airline callsigns on it.

[Edited 2004-12-03 23:09:14]

User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9293 times:

I believe the weight threshold is aroud 200,000 lbs and the 757-200 is a bit below that. However, it does produce a wake similar to a 767 so greater seperation was needed behind it. 757, what a great aircraft...

User currently offlineDavidyyc From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9288 times:

SAA uses "Springbok" ?!

User currently offlineAirportugal310 From Tokelau, joined Apr 2004, 3638 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9261 times:

Why have 8 people answered the same question 8 times? Read the thread before you answer.

And yes, SAA is "Springbok.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6485 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9253 times:

Airportgula310:

The first four posts had a 41-second spread between them.



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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8270 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

Speedbird = BA
Heavy = Over 255,000 lbs MGTOW, widebody or narrowbody it doesn't matter.



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User currently offlineStealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9184 times:

yea i kinda guessed speedbird was BAs callsign but didnt want to say anything. the 'united' heavy i just typed because i didnt want to say _____ heavy  Smile but thanks anyway!
and thank you for the quick responses



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User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9177 times:

Among others:

Aer Lingus = Shamrock
SAA = Springbok
BMI = Midland (I think)
America West = Cactus
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.
.
etc



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User currently offlineShankly From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 1543 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9113 times:

Don't forget Lufthansa's catchy callsign..."Lufthansa"


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User currently offlineLondoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9058 times:

Just some of the stranger ones in the UK:
BMI Baby = Baby
MY Travel = Kestrel
First Choice = Jetset
Volar = Funjet
FlyBE = Jersey
EU Jet = Union Jet
Jet 2 = Channex (Channel Express own? this airline?)
Thomas Cook UK = Top Jet (formerly Globe)


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9026 times:

FlyBE is Jersey, because BE used to be Jersey European and Jet2 is Channex, because all of the aircraft in their fleet are leased from Channel express

User currently offlineLondoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8997 times:

Yeah, Jersery European became British European with all the a/c having their titles ammended as such in the early 2000's and then they opted for a change to the low cost arm of the market and went with a more "appealing" name.

Fortunately FlyBE have managed to keep the same RT callsign, just like Airtours/Mytravel did in their change. Unfortunately Thomas Cook seem unable to, they went from flying colours to JMC to Globe to Top Jet within 3/4 years, its difficult to keep up sometimes!!


User currently offlineDogfighter2111 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 1968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

No, before flying colours, it was Caledonian

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19230 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8969 times:

Ryanair's call-sign is Ryanair.  Laugh out loud


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User currently offlineLondoncenter From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8967 times:

No what? But good point, Caledonian did evolve into Flying Colours. At what point did Thomas Cook run the airline? Have they always been behind it, I know they were from FCL days, there's a pic on here somewhere of a Flying Colours A320 with a TC sticker on the side. But certainly from an air traffic control point of view the last 4 years have had the most changes with them!

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8961 times:

America West has by far the best callsign: Cactus. But I guess anything sounds good when all you hear is "Continental" and "Jetlink" coming over the scanner.  Laugh out loud


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26495 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 8960 times:

AirTran = Citrus
The LAS based National (gone now) = Red Rock (my favorite)
American Eagle = Eagle Flight
Trans States = a really cool one I cannot remember
ATA = AmTran



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User currently offlineLxjtebga From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 8886 times:

Trans States is Waterski...

If I am not mistaken Caledonian merged with Flying Colours to form JMC Air....John Michael Cook right? Recently changing its name to Thomas Cook Airlines.


25 TrappedInMKG : Trans States DOES have a cool callsign: Waterski. (and yes, I joined A.Net after lurking for over a year just so I could answer that question!) Others
26 Newark777 : Does anyone know if Trans States flies into Newark? I've heard Waterski on my scanner a few times, and I've been trying to figure out what airline it
27 TrappedInMKG : ::let's see if I get beat by two minutes this time:: They sure do, as UA Express.
28 Flyboy36y : American Eagle - Eagle Flight Civil Air Patrol- Cap Flight
29 Loggat : Back around 2000 (ish), Trans States had a base at JFK as TWA Express. At that time, it was very common to hear the Waterski in the NYC area. Now, the
30 ANCFlyer : Remember the good old days . . . Pan Am = Clipper . . . Classic
31 TrappedInMKG : I forgot my all-time favorite callsign. Before the whole 592 crash/AirTran merger/salvation deal, ValuJet was "Critter".
32 Post contains links and images Spacecadet : Not too difficult to find a comprehensive list of airline call signs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_call_sign Some of my favorites: Titan = Zap
33 ANCFlyer : Spacecadet . . . good web site referenced, good, not great . . . missing two of the most obvious not on that list . . . AS and AQ.
34 Post contains images Eham : VLM (Belgium) = Rubens ...named after the famous Belgian painter
35 Spacecadet : Spacecadet . . . good web site referenced, good, not great Ah, I should know better than to post actual information here, there's always somebody arou
36 727200er : Another balst from the past that I miss CP Air - Empress
37 Lufthansa747 : Anybody know if DD (Nok Air) uses Nok, Sky Asia (holding company) or Thai?
38 ANCFlyer : "Spacecadet . . . good web site referenced, good, not great. Ah, I should know better than to post actual information here, there's always somebody ar
39 IntruderPC : to Spacecadet: Flying with an airline callsign "Ugly Van", What about an airline callsign "Witchcraft"! Who does the maint. on their brooms? LOL!!! Re
40 Post contains links QR332 : Another good place to find callsigns along with logos and other information is http://www.aerosite.net
41 Bar032 : According to JAR-OPS: The wake turbulence categories are Light = A/C with MTOW
42 B757capt : Guys is it 255,000 Lbs or greater? For the heavy callsign. I thought that was changed. I recall it being something like 220 or greater?????
43 Post contains images XFSUgimpLB41X : 255,000 pounds maximum takeoff weight or greater qualifies for a heavy callsign. Note that is maximum takeoff weight, not actual weight. The 757-200 s
44 Post contains links CEO@AFG : Another good tool for looking up Airline callsigns, codes etc. is http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk
45 10MID : Try this site. http://www.faa.gov/ATPUBS/CNT/3-3.htm
46 PHLapproach : Everywhere I look, it says Frontier's callsign is Frontier Flight. I don't know how they do it in Denver. But you will never hear Frontier Flight, yet
47 Dtwclipper : And of course, New York Air was "apple"
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