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Aircraft Down Out Of OPF  
User currently offlineKFLLSpotter From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 104 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6441 times:

Apparently an aircraft has gone down after take-off from Opa Locka. The aircraft type is a Convair 440, not sure of the owners, but I think it's on lease to Miami Air. The aircraft is N41626 I believe. Apparently it's still fully loaded and crashed after take-off in a lake off Biscayne Blvd. The aircraft was heading to the Bahamas on a cargo flight I think. Aircraft in tact and pilots are both out. Reportedly an engine failed...


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

http://www.local10.com/news/3971260/detail.html

User currently offlineIntruderPC From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

Sadly, another vintage A/C has succumbed to some failure. It is a sad thing to see these workhorses come to an end. Cost of maintaining airworthiness is getting huge. I hope they can save this one. Glad the crew was not injured.


A-6's and Navy Air forever!!!
User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6284 times:


For those of you locally Channel 4 WFOR the CBS affiliate is broadcasting
live shots of the plane in the water. Doesnt appear to be much damage
at all to the aircraft. Must commend the pilots for bringing the plane
down with little or no damage to the aircraft and certainly not to the
heavily populated surrounding area.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_339103924.html

User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6188 times:
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The company name is Miami Air Lease, it's not on lease to Miami Air. Miami Air Lease has been around since at least the 70's, long before Miami Air International came onto the scene in South Florida. They used to operate out of MIA's infamous Northwest Corner before moving to Opa-locka.

Channel 6 (NBC) was first on the scene with a helicopter shortly after the crash but Kelly Craig, the female announcer, repeatedly called the aircraft a DC-3 for almost an hour. They interviewed a Lt. Eric Baum of Miami-Dade Fire Rescue on the phone while on-air and he announced that it was a DC-10 during the great overhead video of the CV-340 in the water shown from the helo.

Toward the tail end of Channel 6's hour-long local news, Kelly Craig announced that it was a CONAIR 440. Channel 4 kept displaying "Convair 440" on the screen banner during their footage.

Don



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User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

Yes, I was watching the CBS4 coverage and I was suprised they got it right!
The crew is being treated at a nearby marina...it is thought that plane MAY be carrying humanitary aide, but I believe that it is just on a Bahamas cargo run.

Looks like they're pro Bush, but they don't konw how to spell ELECT!


User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6155 times:
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Channel 4 did not get it right. They had "Convair 440" emblazoned on the screen for a long time during their aerial coverage and it's a Convair 340. I guess that's better than Channel 6 calling it a DC-3 for 40 minutes or so and then calling it a CONAIR 440.

It was "Reelect" but they replaced a door that had the "R" on it on the right side of the aircraft - I can't tell what they did on the left side in the above photo but footage of the left side this morning showed the full text.



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User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 44
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6077 times:
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That's amusing but since probably the majority of Americans have not had a true IQ test how did they come up with an average for each state? As far as I know the test is not part of normal testing in the public school systems, at least not in Florida. Even taking the SAT or ACT is optional on the part of the students.


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

That's amusing but since probably the majority of Americans have not had a true IQ test how did they come up with an average for each state? As far as I know the test is not part of normal testing in the public school systems, at least not in Florida. Even taking the SAT or ACT is optional on the part of the students.

It is a fake. See Snopes (or others) for the full debunking.



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3096 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5934 times:

CNN Coverage of Story With Photo:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/04/plane.crash.ap/index.html


User currently offlineSpoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5886 times:

Thank goodness the pilots are ok.

Why journalists can never get aircraft models right never ceases to amaze me. Why is it so hard? DC-3? Not even close! CONAIR 440? Good fact checking guys...



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User currently offlineAtcrick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5815 times:
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This aircraft used to go to Guantanamo Bay fairly regularly carrying cargo from Opa Locka. This company also has a DC7 which tail you can see in the rear of the photo above. I rode on this 340 from MUGM to OPF back in September of 2002. I cant believe it went down. It looks like it might be salvageable.

Rick



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User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Darn you beat me to a post about it! It's a shame, a CV-340 lost...

JetBlast @ BWI



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User currently offlineJetBlast From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 1231 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

BTW thought I'd add this, here's the a/c:

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Photo © Jay Selman


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Photo © Dirk Jaeger



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User currently offlineAir1727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

This company does not have a DC-7. Completely different certificate. Although one of the chief pilots flies for both Miami Air Lease and Florida Air Transport/Turks Air.

User currently offlineNsfguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

WOW! I just got into this story....soooo Let me get this right, this was the new Air Force One going down with a belly full of early release orders for the men who have been forced to fight on in Iraq long after there promised date of rotation! God Bless our WONDERFUL president! Saving us all that money by using an easy credit looking jalopy of a plane, and parking that expensive 747! I feel like Victory is just around the next corner! Yeah Baby!

User currently offlineAtcrick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5032 times:
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Air1727,

I disagree. They flew both the Convair AND the DC7 in and out of Guantanamo Bay Cuba carrying cargo all the time back in 2002 when I was there. And yes, it was the same company. Miami Air Lease.







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User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4878 times:

I don't think they have DC7s .. the other two frequently seen at OPF are both DC-6s, the one in retro AA colors, Turks Air?? and the one with the Blue belly which used to have 'Florida Air Transport' titles.

I few weeks ago I saw this same aircraft when I was stopped on a light in Miami Lakes. It was turning to land at OPF. It's a good thing I took a pic of the aircraft, in case I don't see it again, hopefully they can repair it. TAL lost another convair about 2 years ago that was based in OPF, luckily the pilots also survived, in this case not in a lake, but on the beach.

There aren't all that many lakes around Miami, which lake was this?



User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

There aren't all that many lakes around Miami, which lake was this?

Erm, ever heard of the town of Miami Lakes?

Anyway, it was in Maule Lake. Directly to the east of NE 171st St, near the Carl's Furniture on US1. Just between Miami Gardens Dr. and NE 163rd St. My sister saw the 'plane coming down from her apartment in Aventura while she was on the top level of the parking garage coming in after walking her dogs.


User currently offlineMiamix707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4678 times:

Erm, ever heard of the town of Miami Lakes?

no, never heard of it, I live in Alaska, ever read my screen name? That part might be called Miami Lakes, just like Aventura has that name and there is no "adventure" as far as I know, at Aventura either Big grin

So did your sis get any pics? Must have made quite a splash, I'd love to see a video of that water landing. The lake I was thinking of was the one that can be seen from I-95, on the right hand side, near Aventura when I'm driving north towards FLL.


User currently offlineAtcrick From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 772 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4620 times:
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Miamix707,

The DC7 mentioned is the exact DC7 sitting next to 41626 in the top picture. I would think that since; 1 - It is the tail design I remember from the DC7 that frequented Gtmo, and 2 - It's sitting right next to the CV-340 on the ramp in OPF, that its a pretty good indication that the two are, or were affiliated at the time.

Rgds,

Rick



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User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Erm, ever heard of the town of Miami Lakes?

Well, considering they were at a stop light in MIAMI LAKES, I venture they've never heard of it!

But, actually, this lake (just off of Mall BLVD) is right in the heart of Aventura. my old apartment (lived there for 1 year) is right by there. Glad they were able to make it!


User currently offlineAir1727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Rick, Miami Air Lease (CV-340) and Turks Air (DC-7) both have done contract work for the Dept. of State down to Gitmo, but they are not affiliated on a company level. They have both done work down to Gitmo, including other companies as well, for several years. Miami Air Lease has no DC-7s.

User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3986 times:
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Maule Lake is named after a huge Puerto Rican concrete company that was the largest cement company in Dade county for many years until they went bust 20 years ago or so. Maurice Ferre, former mayor of the city of Miami and former county commissioner, was CEO of the company. The first print stories out spelled it as "Mall Lake" because someone at the FAA thought it was near Aventura Mall but it's a mile or two south of the mall judging from the street description above.

Miami Lakes is chock full of beautiful curving lakes, unlike the typical South Florida rectangular rock pits, for those who didn't know. They can be seen best from aircraft on approach into OPF from the west. Both of the below shots were taken from one of my balconies at home in Miami Lakes.

DC-7BF (not DC-6 as mentioned above) N381AA is owned/operated by Turks Air but sometimes they operate for Florida Air Transport according to the JP fleet book. It is based at Ft. Pierce and survived two hurricanes on the ground a couple of months ago. I've never heard of Miami Air Lease operating it but perhaps they contracted with Turks Air to operate for them when they had too much cargo to haul, like flights to Gitmo? It operates into Opa-locka off and on depending on their business. The company is listed under the Turks and Caicos in the JP fleet book although it carries a US registration.



DC-6A N70BF is owned/operated by Florida Air Transport based at Ft. Pierce but a frequent visitor to Opa-locka. It is a US cargo airline according to the JP fleet book.



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25 Corpsnerd09 : Miamix707 no, never heard of it, I live in Alaska, ever read my screen name? That part might be called Miami Lakes, just like Aventura has that name a
26 Miamix707 : Atcrick I stand corrected, it's a DC-7, the blue one is the DC-6. I even have shots of the aircraft and been next to it a couple of occations, mental
27 Post contains images Aa777jr : Big Boom! AA777jr
28 Post contains images Hirisk : looks like its still in one peice.but i doubt it will grace the air again kinda hard to find parts for 50 year old classics like these
29 Post contains links DB777 : I'm sure that a few of the lakes, particularly east of the Palmetto, are large enough to ditch in but nowhere near as large as the area where they dit
30 BENNETT123 : I think that the biggest problem is probably salt water. This crash is also showing on WWW.Aviation-safety.net This is definately a recommended site.
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