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US Air DC-9 Crashed Twice?  
User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6379 times:


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This cockpit is from N954VJ, crashed outside of Charlotte on July 2, 1994 as a result of windshear. The fuselage is from another aircraft, possibly N565PC (msn 47240), which crashed on takeoff at Cleveland, Ohio on Feb 17, 1991.

Same plane, crashed fuselage, 2.5 years apart?

AA777jr

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User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

I think that a fact check is in order here.The DC 9 that crashed on T/O in CLE you write about was a -10 cargo type and the CLT aircraft a -30.The CLE was from not deicing the wings prior to take off and it was upside down on the runway and the first third was really crushed when I saw it.They may have salvaged some parts from it because of the absence of fire but a fuselage ?????

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

Something about this doesn't sit right with me. The A/C was part of 2 other A/C which had previously crashes. Lemon or something . . .
Anyway, how do they take a cockpit from one a/c and a fuseloge from another to make a new a/c???
Thanks,
SR



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User currently onlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7704 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

Take a look at the picture.....

The cockpit section is from the USAirways DC-9 that is sitting on rear fuselage of another DC-9. Thats just how they ended up at the scrap yard. Note the paint livery is completely different, and the fuselage is from the wing back.


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

If you examine the picture closely, the cockpit is separated from the fuselage. Also the fuselage has no taper at the point it ends (which means that there was more of it and the cockpit would never fit up to that, which leads me to believe that these are remnants from two wholly different aircraft. Basically--whats left of two aircraft consolidated together in the same junk pile.


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User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6137 times:

I don't think it was the same fuselage. What is your source for this info.
The info available lists the aircraft as DC-9-14F in the Cleveland crash. According to the NTSB the aircraft was destroyed and written off.

The aircraft in the Charlotte crash was a DC-9-30


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5859 times:

Read the CAPTION of the pic, and tell me what you think? I just assumed from what I read, that they meant...

one plane crash, the fuselage was salvoed, and used on another plane?

AA777jr


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5820 times:

The fuselage is from another aircraft

That's all you need to know. And the picture clearly shoes that the liveries are very different. It looks to be the aft part of the fuselage as well.



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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 5801 times:

Let me answer this question for you since you didn't actually look at the picture.

The Cockpit is USAir livery. The Fuselage is AA livery. Why o why would a plane fly in half US livery and half AA livery?


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5684 times:

I think we can put to rest the idea that this fuselage went together with this cockpit. As DLKAPA wrote, spend about 20 seconds looking at the picture, and its obvious!!! Or if you do a little research you find out the first crash was a freighter and the second a passenger aircraft.
Somewhere along the line an AA fuselage was introduced to this picture.

False alarm all around!!!


User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5674 times:

I just assumed from what I read, that they meant... one plane crash, the fuselage was salvoed, and used on another plane?

I hope that one day you can sit back, read this line and realize just how ridiculous you sound.


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3129 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5612 times:
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The fuselage shown in the photo is not AA livery, it's actually the old US Postal Service livery as seen in the photo below:

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The aircraft was operated by Ryan International.


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

... the fuselage was salvoed...

Hmmmm, picturing a DC-9 fuselage being shot out of a cannon...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineARCJET From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

How many aircraft did US AIR lose in 1991? I remember the 737/metro collison in February at LAX, wasn't there a F100 lost somewhere?

User currently offlineJerion From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4962 times:

How many aircraft did US AIR lose in 1991? I remember the 737/metro collison in February at LAX, wasn't there a F100 lost somewhere?

No F100's...
Here's a quick summary.

Jerion

Sept 1990
A USAir 734, on a scheduled flight from New York's La Guardia Airport to Charlotte, North Carolina, started its takeoff roll at La Guardia runway 31 with a fully deflected rudder (16° left). During the takeoff roll, the aircraft began to drift to the left, and the Captain took control from the First Officer, who was the pilot-flying at the commencement of the takeoff. At 130kts (V1 was 125kts), about half way down the 7000 foot runway, the Captain rejected the takeoff. The aircraft overran the wet runway and dropped onto a wooden approach light pier, which collapsed causing the aircraft to break into three pieces and drop into the 15ft deep East River. Two people were killed.

Feb 1991
Thirty-four people died at LAX when the USAir 733 collided with a SkyWest Metroliner. The USAir jet landed on the smaller craft, flattening it and dragging it in flames into the side of an abandoned fire station. The February '91 crash claimed all 12 people on the Skywest commuter and 22 of the 89 aboard the USAir 733.

March 1992
Due to a delay at the gate, the aircraft (USAir, Fokker F28) collected a severe amount of ice on the wings and airframe. Subsequently after not being de-iced crashed into Flushing Bay on take-off. Twenty-seven of the 51 passengers were killed in this crash.

July 1994
The aircraft (USAir, DC-9-32) crashed while attempting a missed approach from runway 18R at CLT due to Microburst induced windshear. Thirty-seven of the fifty-seven passengers were killed in this accident.

September 1994
All 132 passengers and crew were killed when their 733 crashed on approach to PIT. The aircraft, on a flight from Chicago's O'Hare International Airport, was approaching runway 28R at Pittsburgh when Air Traffic Control reported traffic in the area, which was confirmed in sight by the first officer. At that moment, the aircraft was levelling off at 6000ft and rolling out of a 15° left turn with flaps at 1°, the gear still retracted, an indicated airspeed of 190 knots, and autopilot and autothrottle systems engaged. The aircraft then suddenly entered the wake vortex of a Delta Airlines Boeing 727 which had preceded it by approximately 69 seconds. Over the next 3 seconds, the aircraft rolled left to approximately 18° of bank. The autopilot attempted to initiate a roll back to the right as the aircraft went in and out of a wake vortex core, resulting in two loud "thumps." The first officer then manually overrode the autopilot without disengaging it by putting in a large right-wheel command at a rate of 150°/sec. The airplane started rolling back to the right at an acceleration that peaked 36°/sec, but the aircraft never reached a wings level attitude. At 19.03:01 the aircraft's heading slewed suddenly and dramatically to the left (full left rudder deflection). Within a second of the yaw onset the roll attitude suddenly began to increase to the left, reaching 30°. The aircraft pitched down, continuing to roll through 55° left bank. At 19.03:07 the pitch attitude approached -20°, the left bank increased to 70° and the descent rate reached 3600 ft/min. At this point, the aircraft stalled. Left roll and yaw continued, and the aircraft rolled through inverted flight as the nose reached 90° down, approx. 3600 feet above the ground. The 737 continued to roll, but the nose began to rise. At 2000 feet above the ground the aircraft's attitude passed 40° nose low and 15° left bank. The left roll hesitated briefly, but continued and the nose again dropped. The plane descended fast and impacted the ground nose first at 261 knots in an 80° nose down, 60° left bank attitude and with significant sideslip.



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User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4651 times:

The fuselage has the wrong marking to be a US Airways' owned aircraft. USAir never had more than one cheatline running the length of the aircraft.


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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4342 times:

Guys they are two separate airplanes.....ive seen in separate pictures both wrecks, they just consolidated whats left of both.....I mean if you really wanted to see somthing screwey I think they have a former CSA Ilyushin IL62 there minus titles withthe name BAe VC10 crudely spray painted on the nose!!!!!!!!....So dont be fooled so easily.
If you cant tell then I suggest that you go back to airplane spotting school...Hmm now how many times have I added that suggestion to a thread??? In some way maybe someone is getting paid to start threads such as these to drum up threads?????

Access-Air



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User currently offlineFilejw From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 359 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

If you like this type of stuff NWA had a DC9 that was the wings from the Air Canada accident in CVG ( in flight fire) and a fuselage from an Ozark 9 that hit a snow plow either landing or taking off.

User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4078 times:

Yes that new combo DC9-30 used to be Ozark N994Z.....and its still flying....so I wonder which serial number it has...LOL....

Access-Air




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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

Of course, didn't several Eastern Aircraft carry parts from the L1011 that crashed in the Everglades and all these ghost stories happen on those flights?

On another note,

I remember a USAir DC-9 crashing or making an emergency landing at DTW in the 1980s during a storm and skidding off of a runway. I don't think anyone got killed, but I believe there were some injuries. Did that plane get written off?


User currently offlineSATL382G From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3267 times:

I didn't know NW had a "FrankenNine". Very Interesting!!

If the database on a.net is to be believed, N994Z is still carrying the same serial it had at the time of the landing accident in Sioux Falls.

Right wing seperated after striking a snow blower. Snow blower driver killed. Acft skidded off runway. No fatalities on the acft.

Who did/had the surgery done? NW or Ozark?

NTSB report: http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=DCA84AA012&rpt=fa

The original hardcopy version of the NTSB report. This is a summary of several incidents. The one in question starts on about page 20.
http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR85-01S.pdf

edit: My JP airline fleets says it's still carrying the serial 47097 it had at the time of the accident. NW acquired Oct 86. Accident occured Dec 83

[Edited 2004-12-06 15:28:39]

[Edited 2004-12-06 15:30:12]

[Edited 2004-12-06 15:45:05]

User currently offlineChazzerguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 277 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

I paid a visit to Maxton and saw this particular scrap pile...

Reply #3 to this thread is correct... Two totally different planes, two completely differenent incidents... But both wrecks were purchased by Charlotte Aircraft Corp. and ended up being piled together.

Both those hulks have since met the crusher.


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